express as a single logarithm: PLEASE HELP with a few questi

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hello everyone, i am new here and plan to use this forum often, you guys seem very friendly. I am in college algebra right now and im having a huge problem with a few questions on my review packet for the exam coming up, the test is in a few days and these questions are going to be similar to the exam. i have been looking at my math book for the last 3-4 hours and i just cant find any similar questions, im stuck. very frustrated & stressed from this as well.

i scanned the math problem packet my teacher gave me to my pc, i mostly need help on "Express as a single logarithm" problems, they are the last 4 questions. but if you got extra time i would really appreciate it if you can help me on the top questions as well, but i know that might be asking to much so if anything just an answer to atleast one question from problems 11,12,13, or 14 would be great. thank you so much



if possible show your work to how you solved the problem, because i really would like to know how to do these. but if you cant i understand, it would be hard to type it out.

Thanks again everyone, this really is going to help me understand it a lot better.
 
8) A is correct

9) D is correct
1-1/x^3= [x^3-1] /x^3
factor [x^3-1]
x^3-1=[x-1][x^2+x+1]

or log [ 1-1/x^3]=log{[x-1][x^2+x+1]/x^3}
log[x-1] log[x^2+x+1] -3 log x


10) A is correct


11) A is correct

12 A is correct

13) D is correct
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14)
x^2-6x-27=[x+3][x-9]

x^2-2x-15=[x-5][x+3]

x^2-18x+81=[x-9]^2
the inverse ln is
[x+3][x-9] [x+6][x-9]^2
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[x-5] [x-5][x+3]

[x-9]^3 [x+6]
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[x-5]^2

Answer C

please check my work for errors
Arthur
 
are you sure problem #8 is correct? because someone posted something else, but i dont know how to copy it to this forum, it wont let me, i thought #8 was C as well, but this other guy said it was A and showed some work

also from problem #13 i got "B" and you got "D"
 
8) Base is understood to be 17, then we have: log(51/4)n2m2\displaystyle 8) \ Base \ is \ understood \ to \ be \ 17, \ then \ we \ have: \ log\frac{(5^{1/4})}{n^2m^2}

log(51/4)n2m2 = log (51/4)log(nm)2\displaystyle log\frac{(5^{1/4})}{n^2m^2} \ = \ log \ (5^{1/4})-log(nm)^2

= 14log(5)2lognm = 14log(5)2[logn+logm] = 14log(5)2logn2logm\displaystyle = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2log|nm| \ = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2[log|n|+log|m|] \ = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2log|n|-2log|m|

Hence, A is correct.\displaystyle Hence, \ A \ is \ correct.

Note: When doing problems involving logs and the answer in the back of the book is different\displaystyle Note: \ When \ doing \ problems \ involving \ logs \ and \ the \ answer \ in \ the \ back \ of \ the \ book \ is \ different

 than yours, it "aint necessarily so" that your answer is wrong as there are so many ways to\displaystyle \ than \ yours, \ it \ "aint \ necessarily \ so" \ that \ your \ answer \ is \ wrong \ as \ there \ are \ so \ many \ ways \ to

finalize a log problem. Trick: Plug a number (no 0 or 1) into your answer and the answer in\displaystyle finalize \ a \ log \ problem. \ Trick: \ Plug \ a \ number \ (no \ 0 \ or \ 1) \ into \ your \ answer \ and \ the \ answer \ in

the back of the book. If they are the same, then you are correct, just with a different form of\displaystyle the \ back \ of \ the \ book. \ If \ they \ are \ the \ same, \ then \ you \ are \ correct, \ just \ with \ a \ different \ form \ of

 the same problem.\displaystyle \ the \ same \ problem.

For example. problem 9, D is correct.\displaystyle For \ example. \ problem \ 9, \ D \ is \ correct.

log11x3 = logx31x3 = logx31logx3. I would stop here.\displaystyle log\bigg|1-\frac{1}{x^3}\bigg| \ = \ log\bigg|\frac{x^3-1}{x^3}\bigg| \ = \ log|x^3-1|-log|x^3|. \ I \ would \ stop \ here.

However, they continue, to wit: logx1x2+x+13logx = logx1+logx2+x+13logx\displaystyle However, \ they \ continue, \ to \ wit: \ log||x-1||x^2+x+1||-3log|x| \ = \ log|x-1|+log|x^2+x+1|-3log|x|

Both answers are correct, just of different forms.\displaystyle Both \ answers \ are \ correct, \ just \ of \ different \ forms.
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
8) Base is understood to be 17, then we have: log(51/4)n2m2\displaystyle 8) \ Base \ is \ understood \ to \ be \ 17, \ then \ we \ have: \ log\frac{(5^{1/4})}{n^2m^2}

log(51/4)n2m2 = log (51/4)log(nm)2\displaystyle log\frac{(5^{1/4})}{n^2m^2} \ = \ log \ (5^{1/4})-log(nm)^2

= 14log(5)2lognm = 14log(5)2[logn+logm] = 14log(5)2logn2logm\displaystyle = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2log|nm| \ = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2[log|n|+log|m|] \ = \ \frac{1}{4}log(5)-2log|n|-2log|m|

Hence, A is correct.\displaystyle Hence, \ A \ is \ correct.

Note: When doing problems involving logs and the answer in the back of the book is different\displaystyle Note: \ When \ doing \ problems \ involving \ logs \ and \ the \ answer \ in \ the \ back \ of \ the \ book \ is \ different

 than yours, it "aint necessarily so" that your answer is wrong as there are so many ways to\displaystyle \ than \ yours, \ it \ "aint \ necessarily \ so" \ that \ your \ answer \ is \ wrong \ as \ there \ are \ so \ many \ ways \ to

finalize a log problem. Trick: Plug a number (no 0 or 1) into your answer and the answer in\displaystyle finalize \ a \ log \ problem. \ Trick: \ Plug \ a \ number \ (no \ 0 \ or \ 1) \ into \ your \ answer \ and \ the \ answer \ in

the back of the book. If they are the same, then you are correct, just with a different form of\displaystyle the \ back \ of \ the \ book. \ If \ they \ are \ the \ same, \ then \ you \ are \ correct, \ just \ with \ a \ different \ form \ of

 the same problem.\displaystyle \ the \ same \ problem.

For example. problem 9, D is correct.\displaystyle For \ example. \ problem \ 9, \ D \ is \ correct.

log11x3 = logx31x3 = logx31logx3. I would stop here.\displaystyle log\bigg|1-\frac{1}{x^3}\bigg| \ = \ log\bigg|\frac{x^3-1}{x^3}\bigg| \ = \ log|x^3-1|-log|x^3|. \ I \ would \ stop \ here.

However, they continue, to wit: logx1x2+x+13logx = logx1+logx2+x+13logx\displaystyle However, \ they \ continue, \ to \ wit: \ log||x-1||x^2+x+1||-3log|x| \ = \ log|x-1|+log|x^2+x+1|-3log|x|

Both answers are correct, just of different forms.\displaystyle Both \ answers \ are \ correct, \ just \ of \ different \ forms.


thank you so much, that really helped me understand much more. im just having such a hard time with this.

i see you just verified #9 was D thank you.

but what about #13, im not sure if that square root sign is in both fractions or just the top one, im questions B and D for question #13. i asked two diff people and both gave me different answers so its really making it hard for me to understand it. and i cant find any similar problem in my book.
 
Again, well forego the base.\displaystyle Again, \ we'll \ forego \ the \ base.

12[logx3logx] = 12logx3x\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}[log|x-3|-log|x|] \ = \ \frac{1}{2}log\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}

\(\displaystyle = log\bigg[\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}\bigg]^{1/2} \ = \ log\sqrt\bigg[\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}\bigg] \ = \ B, \ I \ think \ as \ I \ can't \ read \ D.\)

Note: B should have absolute value signs, what if x = 2?\displaystyle Note: \ B \ should \ have \ absolute \ value \ signs, \ what \ if \ x \ = \ 2?
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
Again, well forego the base.\displaystyle Again, \ we'll \ forego \ the \ base.

12[logx3logx] = 12logx3x\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}[log|x-3|-log|x|] \ = \ \frac{1}{2}log\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}

\(\displaystyle = log\bigg[\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}\bigg]^{1/2} \ = \ log\sqrt\bigg[\frac{|x-3|}{|x|}\bigg] \ = \ B, \ I \ think \ as \ I \ can't \ read \ D.\)

Note: B should have absolute value signs, what if x = 2?\displaystyle Note: \ B \ should \ have \ absolute \ value \ signs, \ what \ if \ x \ = \ 2?
ohh i see now thank you BigGlenntheHeavy, you've been a big help , so then #14 is C correct? thats what answer i got when i did it
 
14 = B, again where are the absolute value signs?\displaystyle 14 \ = \ B, \ again \ where \ are \ the \ absolute \ value \ signs?
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
14 = B, again where are the absolute value signs?\displaystyle 14 \ = \ B, \ again \ where \ are \ the \ absolute \ value \ signs?


i dont know, my college teacher gave us all this packet. are you sure there are suppose to be absolute value signs on these type of questions? maybe this is simpler versions of these type of problems? i really dont understand why they are not there...
would there be a diff answer since there is no absolute value signs???

and you got B for #14. look above at "arthur ohlsten" posts, did he get most of them wrong or something? are you positive with your answers? i see you understand that it is missing some things, could there be these types of problems without absolute value signs which would result in different answers thats why "arthur ohlsten" got different answers?
 
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