there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees.

chinp

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there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees. how many oak trees are there if you counted 36 more pine than oak?
 
Introduce Suitable Notation. (Name Stuff!)

O = # of Oak Trees
P = # of Pine Trees

Now that we have names, it should be simple enough to translate the information to useful equations.
 
i had already done 0= oaks
p=pines, so how do I solve the problem, this is not showing me what to do with o= oaks p=pines
 
chinp said:
i had already done 0= oaks
p=pines, so how do I solve the problem, this is not showing me what to do with o= oaks p=pines

Well - you need to say that. Unless you tell us - we do not know where to begin to help you.

Now let's think...

If there are 10 Pine trees - there would be 4 oak trees

If there are 20 Pine trees - there would be 8 oak trees

If there are 30 Pine trees - there would be 12 oak trees

If there is 1 Pine tree - there would be (4/10) oak trees

If there are "P" Pine trees - there would be P*(4/10) oak trees

So the condition "there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees" translates mathematically to

O = P * (4/10)

What is the other condition given?

Translate that and continue.....
 
chinp said:
...so how do I solve the problem, this is not showing me what to do with o= oaks p=pines
Did you not learn this in class?
 
Subhotosh Khan said:
chinp said:
i had already done 0= oaks
p=pines, so how do I solve the problem, this is not showing me what to do with o= oaks p=pines

Well - you need to say that. Unless you tell us - we do not know where to begin to help you.

Now let's think...

If there are 10 Pine trees - there would be 4 oak trees

If there are 20 Pine trees - there would be 8 oak trees

If there are 30 Pine trees - there would be 12 oak trees

If there is 1 Pine tree - there would be (4/10) oak trees

If there are "P" Pine trees - there would be P*(4/10) oak trees

So the condition "there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees" translates mathematically to

O = P * (4/10)

What is the other condition given?

Translate that and continue.....
the problem is: 4 "O" for every 10 "P", how many "O" are there if you counted 36 more "P" than "O"
 
Denis said:
chinp said:
...so how do I solve the problem, this is not showing me what to do with o= oaks p=pines
Did you not learn this in class?
Your reply seems a little bit rude. If my "substitute teacher" had done this with us I would not be looking for help, and even if she did, did you understand and master everything you heard the first you did it? I have tried this 2 ways and coming up with 2 different answers, !) "O"=14 or 2) "O"=24. I am just wanting to master this and understand it. My regular teacher is out having a baby
 
lookagain said:
chinp,

please opine about this problem's set-up.
Please "lookagain", help me, but I dont like being made to feel stupid, my teacher is out haing a baby and the substitute doesn't explain things, just hands out work sheets. Ther are 4 "O"s for every 10 "P"s, How any "O"s are there if you counted 36 more "P"s than "O"s. I came up with 2 answers, "O"=14.4 or 14, "O"=24, I know how i got both answers, but I just want to learn which one is the right way to solve it.
 
You have to choose to feel stupid all on your own. No one can make you do that.

You've wasted a lot of time. You had a complete answer in the very first reply. I repeat a portion for convenience.

Now that we have names, it should be simple enough to translate the information to useful equations.

"there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees."

Translate!!!! It's a proportion! 4/10 = O/P? What say you?' Other translations?
Translate!!! It's a ratio! O = (4/10)*P What say you? Other translations?

"if you counted 36 more pine than oak?"

Translate!!! It's an additive relationship! P = 36 + O What say you? Other translations?

You have to think through it. There is no magic formula.
 
chinp said:
Your reply seems a little bit rude. If my "substitute teacher" had done this with us I would not be looking for help, and even if she did, did you understand and master everything you heard the first you did it? I have tried this 2 ways and coming up with 2 different answers, !) "O"=14 or 2) "O"=24. I am just wanting to master this and understand it. My regular teacher is out having a baby
Oh, I see; BUT your initial post consisted of only this:
"there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees. how many oak trees are there if you counted 36 more pine than oak?"
 
t
tkhunny said:
You have to choose to feel stupid all on your own. No one can make you do that.

You've wasted a lot of time. You had a compelte answer in the very first reply. I repeat a portion for convenience.

Now that we have names, it should be simple enough to translate the information to useful equations.

"there are 4 oak trees for every 10 pine trees."

Translate!!!! It's a proportion! 4/10 = O/P? What say you?' Other translations?
Translate!!! It's a ratio! O = (4/10)*P What say you? Other translations?

"if you counted 36 more pine than oak?"

Translate!!! It's an additive relationship! P = 36 + O What say you? Other translations?

You have to think through it. There is no magic formula.
To tkhunny
this is from chinp's parent
When you as a grown person verbally abuse a child as you have done in your first 2 sentences above, you show your ignorance and arrogance to kids willing to learn. You are not a nice person and I will ensure they and none of their friends ever contact this site again, I will also speak to the teachers at school and as many parents as I can so they will spread the word. You should not be tutoring anyone if you have no patience with kids, because this is not how you treat kids
 
1) You have no idea who I am.
2) There is no abuse. Read it again. There is only advice for life.
3) When asking for help from volunteers, you shoudl spend more time accepting the help and less time arguing that you are nto getting it.
4) We're all on the side of learning mathematics, here.
 
To Ted / moderators:
I just noticed that there is no "Read before posting" in this section;
ALL other sections have this notice at top.

To Mr and/or Mrs Chinp:
I (and others here) have been exposed to TKHunny's replies for years:
we can assure you his intentions are ALWAYS to help.
 
5) I am delighted to see parents monitoring their children's internet usage.
 
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