The Difference Between Two Integration Problems

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1.

\(\displaystyle (x^{2} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle \frac{(x^{2} + 4)^{6}}{6} + C\)


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next taking the derivative of the highest power in the integrand \(\displaystyle x^{3}\)

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next flipping the \(\displaystyle 3\) so it becomes \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}[\frac{(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C]\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{2}{9}(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2} + C\) Final Answer


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.
 
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1.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.

Jason,

Where are you seeing \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) in the second problem?

Have you tried substitution and then integration?

If you did - show work.

If you didn't - try it that way.
 
Jason,

Where are you seeing \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) in the second problem?

Have you tried substitution and then integration?

If you did - show work.

If you didn't - try it that way.


The problem again with work: (Sorry, having slow time learning Latex, so it took time to write out the whole thing)

1.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle \frac{(x^{2} + 4)^{6}}{6} + C\)


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next taking the derivative of the highest power in the integrand \(\displaystyle x^{3}\)

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next flipping the \(\displaystyle 3\) so it becomes \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}[\frac{(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C]\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{2}{9}(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2} + C\) Final Answer


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.
 
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The problem again with work: (Sorry, having slow time learning Latex, so it took time to write out the whole thing)

1.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle \frac{(x^{2} + 4)^{6}}{6} + C\)


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next taking the derivative of the highest power in the integrand \(\displaystyle x^{3}\)

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next flipping the \(\displaystyle 3\) so it becomes \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}[\frac{(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C]\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{2}{9}(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2} + C\) Final Answer


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.

In the first problem, do you have

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)^{5}\) or

\(\displaystyle (x^{2} + 4)^{5}\)

You have started with \(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)\) but your answer has \(\displaystyle (x^{2} + 4)\)
 
1.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle \frac{(x^{2} + 4)^{6}}{6} + C\) This is NOT the answer to the integral shown above. It is the answer to the integral of

\(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx.\) Check the problem.


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next taking the derivative of the highest power in the integrand \(\displaystyle x^{3}\)

Why is the rest of the expression ignored? The derivative of \(\displaystyle (x^3 - 3x) = 3x^2 - 3 = 3(x^2 - 1).\)

Where the 1/3 comes from is \(\displaystyle (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \dfrac{1}{3}(x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}\{3(x^2 - 1)\}dx.\)

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next flipping the \(\displaystyle 3\) so it becomes \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}[\frac{(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C]\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{2}{9}(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2} + C\) Final Answer


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.
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Jason,

Where are you seeing \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) in the second problem?

Have you tried substitution and then integration?

If you did - show work.

If you didn't - try it that way.

Original post with corrections and new insights:

1.

\(\displaystyle \int (x^{2} + 4)^{5} 2xdx\)

Do the anti-derivative on the integrand.

\(\displaystyle \frac{(x^{2} + 4)^{6}}{6} + C\) Final Answer


and this problem

2.

\(\displaystyle \int (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next taking the derivative of the highest power in the integrand \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) (BUT WAIT - 3 is not the derivative)

\(\displaystyle (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

Next flipping the \(\displaystyle 3\) so it becomes \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3} \int (x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2} 3(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

The stuff to the right of the left linear factor (integrand) disappears. Now we do the anti-derivative on the integrand.

\(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3} [\frac{(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C]\)

\(\displaystyle \frac{2}{9}(x^{3} - 3x)^{3/2} + C\) Final Answer


As you can see that in the 2nd problem the \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) is a flipped version of 3 which came from the \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) in the beginning (since that was the largest power).

But in the 1st problem the highest power \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) is not made into 3 and flipped.

But I see a problem in the reasoning: \(\displaystyle x^{3}\) differentiated is \(\displaystyle 3x^{2}\) not 3. So why does the 3 come about? Where did it come from?
 
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Sorry for double post, but I think I figured it out.

The 1st problem is complete, so the anti-derivative can be taken. However, the 2nd problem is incomplete. Threfore, the 3 has to put to the left of \(\displaystyle x^{2}\) (in the linear factor to the right of the integrand), to make \(\displaystyle 3x^{2}\) which is the derivative of \(\displaystyle x^{3}\). So now the 2nd equation is complete and the anti-derivative can be taken. Of course, when you complete an integration problem, then you also have to flip the 3 and put the result \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) in front of the integrand (for some balancing reason).
 
Sorry for double post, but I think I figured it out.

The 1st problem is complete, so the anti-derivative can be taken. However, the 2nd problem is incomplete. Threfore, the 3 has to put to the left of \(\displaystyle x^{2}\) (in the linear factor to the right of the integrand), to make \(\displaystyle 3x^{2}\) which is the derivative of \(\displaystyle x^{3}\). So now the 2nd equation is complete and the anti-derivative can be taken. Of course, when you complete an integration problem, then you also have to flip the 3 and put the result \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3}\) in front of the integrand (for some balancing reason).
Jason

You are making up rules that you hope make sense and applying them super-mechanically. Back when you were asking questions about the chain rule, I tried to expain that the chain rule would make much more sense if you used substitutions. Subhotosh Khan suggested using substitutions for these problems. Why do you ask questions if you ignore the responses?

Consider: \(\displaystyle a\ is\ a\ constant \implies \int (a * u^n)du = \dfrac{a * u^{(n + 1)}}{n + 1} + C.\) This is a basic integral that you must memorize.

So, \(\displaystyle \int (u^5)du = \dfrac{1 * u^{(5 + 1)}}{5 + 1} + C = \dfrac{u^6}{6} + C.\) This applies the basic integral above.

Now, you get the problem to evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx.\)

You are expected to realize that \(\displaystyle \int (something)^5 * f(x)dx\) looks a little bit like one of the basic integrals that you must memorize. So MAYBE you can use that basic integral. (Maybe you cannot. Integral calculus involves some trial and error.)

Well, if you CAN use that particular basic integral, it would need to be true that \(\displaystyle u = (x^2 + 4).\)

That would make your problem look like \(\displaystyle \int u^5(2x)dx,\) but that makes no sense as it is

because you need du, not dx, to integrate u^5 and dx, not du, to integrate 2x. However, you have a relationship between u and x

\(\displaystyle u = x^2 + 4 \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 2x + 0 = 2x \implies du = (2x)dx.\) So I make that substitution.

The whole chain of reasoning is now very straightforward:

\(\displaystyle u = x^2 + 4 \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 2x \implies du = (2x)dx \implies \int(x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx = \int u^5du = \dfrac{u^6}{6} + C = \dfrac{(x^2 + 4)^6}{6} + C.\)

Your second problem is similar and takes just a bit more creativity to solve.

Evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

You are again expected to realize that \(\displaystyle \int (something)^{(1/2)} * f(x)dx\) looks a little bit like one of the basic integrals that you must memorize. So, once again, MAYBE you can use that basic integral.

Well, if you can, it would need to be true that \(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x).\)

You learned the last time that, when you substitute u for (x^3 - 3x), you will also need to substitute du for dx.

So \(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x) \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 3x^2 - 3 = 3(x^2 - 1) \implies du = 3(x^2 - 1)du.\)

So you try \(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int u^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

Uh oh. \(\displaystyle (x^2 - 1)dx \ne 3(x^2 - 1)dx = du.\) However, a simple manipulation will fix that.

\(\displaystyle (x^2 - 1)dx = \dfrac{1}{3}\{3(x^2 - 1)\}dx = \dfrac{1}{3}du \implies\)

\(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int u^{(1/2)} * \left(\dfrac{1}{3}du\right) = \int \left(\dfrac{1}{3} * u^{(1/2)}\right)du.\) You are now ready to apply your basic integral.


\(\displaystyle \int \left(\dfrac{1}{3} * u^{(1/2}\right)du = \dfrac{\frac{1}{3} * u^{\{(1/2) + 1\}}}{(1/2) + 1} + C = \dfrac{1}{3} * \dfrac{u^{(3/2)}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C = \dfrac{1}{3} * \dfrac{2}{3} * u^{(3/2)} + C = \dfrac{2(x^3 - 3x)^{(3/2)}}{9} + C.\)

If you understood that you are trying to transform what appears to be a complex integral into one of the basic ones, this whole process would make a lot more sense.
 
Jason

You are making up rules that you hope make sense and applying them super-mechanically. Back when you were asking questions about the chain rule, I tried to expain that the chain rule would make much more sense if you used substitutions. Subhotosh Khan suggested using substitutions for these problems. Why do you ask questions if you ignore the responses?

Consider: \(\displaystyle a\ is\ a\ constant \implies \int (a * u^n)du = \dfrac{a * u^{(n + 1)}}{n + 1} + C.\) This is a basic integral that you must memorize.

So, \(\displaystyle \int (u^5)du = \dfrac{1 * u^{(5 + 1)}}{5 + 1} + C = \dfrac{u^6}{6} + C.\) This applies the basic integral above.

Now, you get the problem to evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx.\)

You are expected to realize that \(\displaystyle \int (something)^5 * f(x)dx\) looks a little bit like one of the basic integrals that you must memorize. So MAYBE you can use that basic integral. (Maybe you cannot. Integral calculus involves some trial and error.)

Well, if you CAN use that particular basic integral, it would need to be true that \(\displaystyle u = (x^2 + 4).\)

That would make your problem look like \(\displaystyle \int u^5(2x)dx,\) but that makes no sense as it is

because you need du, not dx, to integrate u^5 and dx, not du, to integrate 2x. However, you have a relationship between u and x

\(\displaystyle u = x^2 + 4 \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 2x + 0 = 2x \implies du = (2x)dx.\) So I make that substitution.

The whole chain of reasoning is now very straightforward:

\(\displaystyle u = x^2 + 4 \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 2x \implies du = (2x)dx \implies \int(x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx = \int u^5du = \dfrac{u^6}{6} + C = \dfrac{(x^2 + 4)^6}{6} + C.\)

Your second problem is similar and takes just a bit more creativity to solve.

Evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

You are again expected to realize that \(\displaystyle \int (something)^{(1/2)} * f(x)dx\) looks a little bit like one of the basic integrals that you must memorize. So, once again, MAYBE you can use that basic integral.

Well, if you can, it would need to be true that \(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x).\)

You learned the last time that, when you substitute u for (x^3 - 3x), you will also need to substitute du for dx.

So \(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x) \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 3x^2 - 3 = 3(x^2 - 1) \implies du = 3(x^2 - 1)du.\)

So you try \(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int u^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

Uh oh. \(\displaystyle (x^2 - 1)dx \ne 3(x^2 - 1)dx = du.\) However, a simple manipulation will fix that.

\(\displaystyle (x^2 - 1)dx = \dfrac{1}{3}\{3(x^2 - 1)\}dx = \dfrac{1}{3}du \implies\)

\(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int u^{(1/2)} * \left(\dfrac{1}{3}du\right) = \int \left(\dfrac{1}{3} * u^{(1/2)}\right)du.\) You are now ready to apply your basic integral.


\(\displaystyle \int \left(\dfrac{1}{3} * u^{(1/2}\right)du = \dfrac{\frac{1}{3} * u^{\{(1/2) + 1\}}}{(1/2) + 1} + C = \dfrac{1}{3} * \dfrac{u^{(3/2)}}{\frac{3}{2}} + C = \dfrac{1}{3} * \dfrac{2}{3} * u^{(3/2)} + C = \dfrac{2(x^3 - 3x)^{(3/2)}}{9} + C.\)

If you understood that you are trying to transform what appears to be a complex integral into one of the basic ones, this whole process would make a lot more sense.

Right now, all I know is that my method works. But as you say, I still don't really know the formal mechanics. Of course, it only works when the derivative of the highest exponated number in the integrand is more than the highest exponated number in the right linear factor.

In fact, I looked at a case yesterday where the opposite was true, so a different method was used. But when derivative of the highest exponated factor and the highest exponated factor in the right linear factor match, then you just go straight for the anti-derivative.
 
Right now, all I know is that my method works. But as you say, I still don't really know the formal mechanics. Of course, it only works when the derivative of the highest exponated number in the integrand is more than the highest exponated number in the right linear factor.

In fact, I looked at a case yesterday where the opposite was true, so a different method was used. But when derivative of the highest exponated factor and the highest exponated factor in the right linear factor match, then you just go straight for the anti-derivative.
Not if you want the right answer. You do the "anti-derivative" of the example below your way and then take the derivative of your answer and see what you get.

\(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x)dx.\)
 
Not if you want the right answer. You do the "anti-derivative" of the example below your way and then take the derivative of your answer and see what you get.

\(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x)dx.\)

In the case of this problem:

\(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x)dx.\)


\(\displaystyle du = 2x^{2} + 2\)

which doesn't exactly match the \(\displaystyle 2x dx\) in the original problem. However, the du is larger than the dx, so a different method is needed besides multiplying \(\displaystyle 2x dx\) by \(\displaystyle 2\) and the integrand by \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\). Perhaps division would be the answer.

Now let's look at the problems 1 and 2 again.

1.

\(\displaystyle \int(x^{2} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle du = 2x\) It exactly matches the dx, so no manipulation is needed, and we can take the anti-derivative.


2.

\(\displaystyle \int(x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

\(\displaystyle du = 3x - 3\) du is larger than dx, so to make things right, \(\displaystyle 3\) is multiplied to the dx and \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3} \) to the integrand. Next the anti-derivative is taken, but the \(\displaystyle 1\frac{1}{3}\) is multiplied to the anti-derivative.
 
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In the case of this problem:

\(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x)dx.\)


\(\displaystyle du = 2x^{2} + 2\)

which doesn't exactly match the \(\displaystyle 2x dx\) in the original problem. However, the du is larger than the dx, so a different method is needed besides multiplying \(\displaystyle 2x dx\) by \(\displaystyle 2\) and the integrand by \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}\). Perhaps division would be the answer.

Now let's look at the problems 1 and 2 again.

1.

\(\displaystyle \int(x^{2} + 4)^{5}\) 2xdx

\(\displaystyle du = (2x)dx\) It exactly matches the dx, so no manipulation is needed, and we can take the anti-derivative. BINGO. (2x)dx exactly matches the derivative of the exponentiated expression so you can simply use the power rule for the exponentiated expression. What you are doing is IMPLYING a substitution, which is a perfectly valid technique, but it can easily lead to mistakes, especially when starting out. Here is a suggestion for the future. If you do not see how an answer is derived, try doing the substitution explictly.


2.

\(\displaystyle \int(x^{3} - 3x)^{1/2}(x^{2} - 1)dx\)

\(\displaystyle du = 3x - 3\) du is larger than dx, so to make things right, \(\displaystyle 3\) is multiplied to the dx and \(\displaystyle \frac{1}{3} \) to the integrand. Next the anti-derivative is taken, but the \(\displaystyle 1\frac{1}{3}\) is multiplied to the anti-derivative. YES. Again, you have the concept although your terminology would drive most teachers crazy (my terminology may offend purists as well). You have manipulated without changing the function being integrated so that it now consists of a CONSTANT times an exponentiated expression times the derivative of that expression so you can apply the power rule to the exponentiated expression. However, you are taking advantage of two general concepts that are important to recognize because they come up again and again. I explain them below.
I said in my prior posts that a lot of the mechanics of integral calculus involves memorizing some basic integrals like

\(\displaystyle \int (u^n)du = \dfrac{u^{(n+1)}}{n + 1} + C,\)

and reducing, implicitly or explictly, more complicated integrals into the basic ones.

A very common technique is to multiply by something that is necessarily equal to 1 or to add something that is necessarily equal to 0.

So in problem 2 above, you multiplied the integrand by 3 and by 1/3, which obviously changes nothing because effectively you are multiplying by 1, but the double, offsetting multiplications do get the expression into a more useful form.

Also in problem 2, you used this theorem

\(\displaystyle a\ is\ a\ constant \implies \int \{a * f(u)\}du = a * \{\int f(u)du\}.\)

This theorem is used very frequently.

Now I reiterate my advice: learn to be comfortable doing substitutions, and calculus will be easier. Not easy, but easier.

Oh, by the way, that problem that I gave you as a counter-example can be solved. It requires a lot of algebra and the following theorem. It is an easy calculus problem once you do the algebra, which is tedious to say the least.

Calculus theorem required is: \(\displaystyle \int \{f(x) + g(x) \}dx = \{\int f(x)dx \} + \{ \int g(x)dx \}.\) Now for the algebra.

\(\displaystyle (x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x) = (x^4 + 2x^3 - x^2 + 2x^3 + 4x^2 - 2x - x^2 - 2x + 1)(x^2 + 2x - 1)(2x) =\)

\(\displaystyle (x^4 + 4x^3 + 2x^2 - 4x^1 + x^0)(2x^3 + 4x^2 - 2x^1) =\)

\(\displaystyle 2x^7 + 8x^6 + 4x^5 - 8x^4 + 2x^3 + 4x^6 + 16x^5 + 8x^4 - 16x^3 + 4x^2 - 2x^5 - 8x^4 - 4x^3 + 8x^2 - 2x^1 =\)

\(\displaystyle 2x^7 + 12x^6 + 18x^5 - 8x^4 - 18x^3 + 12x^2 - 2x.\)

So, going step by step,

\(\displaystyle \int \{(x^2 + 2x - 1)^3(2x) \}dx =\)

\(\displaystyle \int (2x^7 + 12x^6 + 18x^5 - 8x^4 - 18x^3 + 12x^2 - 2x)dx =\)

\(\displaystyle \int (2x^7)dx + \int(12x^6)dx + \int (18x^5)dx + \int (- 8x^4)dx + \int (- 18x^3)dx + \int (12x^2)dx + \int (- 2x)dx =\)

\(\displaystyle 2\int (x^7)dx + 12\int(x^6)dx + 18\int (x^5)dx - 8\int (x^4)dx - 18\int (x^3)dx + 12\int (x^2)dx - 2\int (x)dx =\)

\(\displaystyle 2 * \dfrac{x^8}{8} + 12 * \dfrac{x^7}{7} + 18 * \dfrac{x^6}{6} - 8 * \dfrac{x^5}{5} - 18 * \dfrac{x^4}{4} + 12 * \dfrac{x^3}{3} - 2 * \dfrac{x^2}{2} + C =\)

\(\displaystyle \dfrac{x^8}{4} + \dfrac{12x^7}{7} + 3x^6 - \dfrac{8x^5}{5} - \dfrac{9x^4}{2} + 4x^3 - x^2 + C.\)

Sometimes it takes brute force.
 
Jeff,

You have patience of a sage!! I gave up long time ago.
 
Jeff,

You have patience of a sage!! I gave up long time ago.
Subhotosh Khan

Thank you very much for the kind words. I am retired, and as my mother used to say, what's time to a hog.

When I was studying mathematics (and at the schools I attended, it was not optional), I hated memorizing rules. I had to understand the "why" behind them before I would deign to memorize them. During my sophmore year at Columbia in my obligatory math class, I asked why not do something along lines X. I was told because line Y was correct. I never took another math class at Columbia. (I did take some math classes at U of P in grad school.) The whole episode was ironic because in the very year I asked that question, what's his name at Yale published his book on non-standard analysis, and no one at Columbia took the opportunity to explicate the 19th century's huge effort at making calculus rigorous along the Cauchy-Weirstrauss approach. Columbia had an opportunity to explain calculus to me and blew it. The history department had a different attitude toward history than the math department had toward math. So I studied history. And I consequently have strong opinions about teaching math, which, to their profound detriment, most kids in the US never learn.

What scares me about Jason is that he tries to learn "rules" inductively from a very small set of examples. The result is that he intuit "rules" that do not exist without understanding the rationale behind the answers from which he extrapolates. He views rationales as unnecessary formalism. But I greatly admire his persistence and find his efforts quite worthy of a response. My problem is that I will soon come to the end of the road on what I remember of calculus; it has been a long time since 1962.
 
I want to understand the rules behind the examples also. That's because in the long run, it's a better idea. I'm trying to understand what Jeff is saying. But just give me a few days so I can absorb it. It's not easy reading.
 
It's not easy reading.

:idea: Maybe it would be easier, were you to start learning integration by studying math from the beginning and going forwards versus starting at the end and going backwards.

Your approach is like a pre-med student investing most of their initial efforts toward grasping the nuances of scalpel-manipulation techniques with respect to target-tissue density during brain surgery -- before learning much of anything at all about human anatomy, let alone surgery.

Seems as good an investment of time and effort as Bank of America's installations of new braille instructions at existing drive-through ATMs, but, hey, if that's what toots your scooter...
 
\(\displaystyle \int (x^{2} + 2x - 1)^{3} 2x dx\)

\(\displaystyle \int(x^2+2x-1)^3=x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1\)

\(\displaystyle \int 2x(x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1)\)

\(\displaystyle \int 2x^{7} + 12x^{6} + 9x^{5} - 8x^{4} - 18x^{3} + 12x^{2} - 2x\)

Integrating term by term:

\(\displaystyle \int \frac{2x^{}8}{8} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{9x^{6}}{6} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{18x^{4}}{4} + \frac{12x^{3}}{3} - \frac{2x^{2}}{2}\)

Reduced Fractions and added \(\displaystyle + C\)
\(\displaystyle \frac{x^{}8}{4} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{3x^{6}}{2} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{9x^{4}}{2} + \frac{4x^{3}}{1} - \frac{x^{2}}{1} + C\)
But when do we use this method of integration as opposed to the other ways?

Maybe it would be easier, were you to start learning integration by studying math from the beginning and going forwards versus starting at the end and going backwards.

Your approach is like a pre-med student investing most of their initial efforts toward grasping the nuances of scalpel-manipulation techniques with respect to target-tissue density during brain surgery -- before learning much of anything at all about human anatomy, let alone surgery.

Seems as good an investment of time and effort as Bank of America's installations of new braille instructions at existing drive-through ATMs, but, hey, if that's what toots your scooter...

No way, I got "Scaple Manipulation for Dummies" :D No, really I plan studying a little more integration, and then harshly reviewing Algebra and Trig over the month of December, and then back into Calculus. I had done some review in Algebra and Trig during Sept and October.
 
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\(\displaystyle \int (x^{2} + 2x - 1)^{3} 2x dx\)

\(\displaystyle \int(x^2+2x-1)^3=x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1\)

\(\displaystyle \int 2x(x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1)\)

\(\displaystyle \int 2x^{7} + 12x^{6} + 9x^{5} - 8x^{4} - 18x^{3} + 12x^{2} - 2x\)

Integrating term by term:

\(\displaystyle \int \frac{2x^{}8}{8} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{9x^{6}}{6} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{18x^{4}}{4} + \frac{12x^{3}}{3} - \frac{2x^{2}}{2}\)

Reduced Fractions and added \(\displaystyle + C\)
\(\displaystyle \frac{x^{}8}{4} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{3x^{6}}{2} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{9x^{4}}{2} + \frac{4x^{3}}{1} - \frac{x^{2}}{1} + C\)
But when do we use this method of integration as opposed to the other ways?
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If we can avoid it - never.

By "method" - I assumed that you referred to the "expansion" process.

But it works - almost all the time.
 
\(\displaystyle \int (x^{2} + 2x - 1)^{3} 2x dx\)

\(\displaystyle \int(x^2+2x-1)^3=x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1\) What happened to 2xdx?

\(\displaystyle \int 2x(x^6+6x^5+9x^4-4x^3-9x^2+6x-1)\) What happened to dx?

\(\displaystyle \int 2x^{7} + 12x^{6} + 9x^{5} - 8x^{4} - 18x^{3} + 12x^{2} - 2x\) What happened to dx?

You will notice that when I started manipulating, I did it without reference to integration operators. I was just saying that
f(x) = g(x) to take advantage of this theorem:

\(\displaystyle f(x) = g(x) \implies \int f(x)dx = \int g(x)dx.\)

Integrating term by term:

\(\displaystyle \int \frac{2x^{}8}{8} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{9x^{6}}{6} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{18x^{4}}{4} + \frac{12x^{3}}{3} - \frac{2x^{2}}{2}\)

The integral sign is no longer necessary above because you have ALREADY integrated term by term. Also, being very technical, there is a constant term added for EACH indefinite integral. Now when you add up a bunch of constants, you get a new constant so you can add the big C as the sum of all the constants, but, to be exact, you need the + C at this step. Do you understand why there is a constant associated with each integral?

Reduced Fractions and added \(\displaystyle + C\)
\(\displaystyle \frac{x^{}8}{4} + \frac{12x^{7}}{7} + \frac{3x^{6}}{2} - \frac{8x^{5}}{5} - \frac{9x^{4}}{2} + \frac{4x^{3}}{1} - \frac{x^{2}}{1} + C\)
But when do we use this method of integration as opposed to the other ways?
We use this kind of brute force method only when we cannot find an easier way. A lot of what you are being taught are ways to avoid brute force methods, which are time consuming and very error prone. It is not uncommon in math for there to be several equally valid ways to solve a problem so it is worthwhile looking for alternatives to brute force. So, as Subhotosh Khan said, we NEVER use brute force IF we can find a quicker, less error-prone method.
This post is quite repetitious. Let's consider problem 1: evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx.\)

We could use the brute force method by raising (x^2 + 4) to the fifth power and multiplying every term of that monstrosity by 2x, giving us an 11th degree polynomial to integrate. I'd be likely to make a mistake so I would have to check my algebra several times. Let's see if there is an easier way. One of the basic integrals is:

\(\displaystyle \int (u^n)du = \dfrac{u^{(n+1)}}{n + 1} + C.\)

In the problem at hand, I see an exponentiated expression and so think to myself: "I wonder if I can use that basic power integral." I do not know whether that approach will work. I showed you an example where it did not work. But trying it certainly seems an economical use of my time and effort. So I make a substitution, either implicitly or explicitly. Once you understand substitutions, it is quicker (but more error prone) to do them implicitly. To understand what you are doing and to reduce the chance of errors, explicit substitution is better. Doing so explicitly, I say

\(\displaystyle Let\ u = (x^2 + 4) \implies (x^2 + 4)^5 = u^5 \implies (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx = u^5(2x)dx.\)

Well, that looks closer to what I want, but I have that 2x hanging around, and I cannot integrate (u^5)dx. I need (u^5)du to be able to integrate. OK. No need to despair. The u is a function of x so I can compute du/dx.

\(\displaystyle u = (x^2 + 4) \implies \dfrac{du}{dx} = 2x \implies du = (2x)dx.\)

\(\displaystyle So\ u = (x^2 + 4) \implies \int (x^2 + 4)^5(2x)dx = \int (u^5)du = \dfrac{u^6}{6} + C = \dfrac{(x^2 + 4)^6}{6} + C.\)

That is a whole lot easier than messing with an 11th degree polynomial. Furthermore, instead of memorizing an extremely limited rule about right-hand linear factors, you have used a fairly straight forward logical process that you can use over and over again in many different situations. If you see an expression that is exponentiated, think about using the power rule through an appropriate substitution.

Let's look again at problem 2.

Evaluate \(\displaystyle \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

There is probably a brute force way to solve this, but I do not know offhand what it may be and I am reasonably confident that it will be time consuming and error prone. Moreover, there is no right-hand linear factor so the "rule" you thought you saw in problem 1 does not apply. But again there is an exponentiated expression. So it is worth making an effort to see whether the power rule will be useful. Let's try.

\(\displaystyle Let\ u = (x^3 - 3x).\) Now we learned before that, in integration, a substitution from x to u will also require a substitution from dx to du.

\(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x) \implies (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)} = u^{(1/2)}\ and\ \dfrac{du}{dx} = 3x^2 - 3 = 3(x^2 - 1) \implies du = 3(x^2 - 1)dx.\)

This is looking promising, but I do not have 3(x^2 - 1)dx. Instead, I have (x^2 - 1)dx = (1/3)du. So I am not quite there BUT

\(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x) \implies \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int u^{(1/2)}\left(\frac{1}{3}\right)du = \int \left(\frac{1}{3}\right)\left(u^{(1/2)}\right)du.\)

There is a theorem that comes to the rescue: \(\displaystyle a\ is\ a\ constant \implies \int \{a * g(u)\}du = a * \{ \int g(u)du \}.\)

So \(\displaystyle u = (x^3 - 3x) \implies \int (x^3 - 3x)^{(1/2)}(x^2 - 1)dx = \int \left\{\frac{1}{3} * \left(u^{(1/2)}\right) \right\}du = \left(\dfrac{1}{3}\right) * \{ \int \left(u^{(1/2)}\right)du \} = \dfrac{1}{3} * \left(\dfrac{u^{(3/2)}}{\frac{3}{2}} + K\right)= \)

\(\displaystyle \dfrac{1}{3}* \left(\dfrac{2u^{(3/2)}}{3} + K\right) = \dfrac{2u^{(3/2)}}{9} + \dfrac{K}{3} = \dfrac{2u^{(3/2)}}{9} + C.\)

To UNDERSTAND what you are doing, explicit substitution is better. Furthermore, you need to memorize only a handful of theorems and maybe two dozen basic integrals to evaluate the integrals that you are likely to see in a beginning course if you recognize that you are frequently doing substitutions, either implicitly or explicitly.

I apologize for the repetition, but I hope that a somewhat different set of words will help you grasp what I am trying to say.
 
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