Simplify a Radical that Contains another Radical

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While determining equations for all lines tangent to the unit circle which pass through the point (4,2), I first found the x-coordinates of the two points of tangency. I will limit my example to the point located in Quadrant IV.

The x-coordinate of this point is (2+?19)/10.

To find the corresponding y-coordinate, I substituted this expression for x into the equation for the unit circle and solved for y. I ended up with the following.

\(\displaystyle \frac{\sqrt{77 - 4 \cdot \sqrt{19}}}{10}\)

Since the larger radicand contains a radical, I will refer to the numerator above as a "compound" radical. I used technology to confirm my result, and I learned that this compound radical simplifies.

\(\displaystyle \frac{1 - 2 \cdot \sqrt{19}}{10}\)

Since it was not immediately obvious to me why the two numerators above are equal, I squared the second one to see how the result compares to the larger radicand in the first one.

\(\displaystyle (1 - 2 \cdot \sqrt{19})^2 \;=\; 1 - 4 \cdot \sqrt{19} + 76\)

This makes it clear why; now, here's my question:

In the future, if I want to use paper and pencil to see if a compound radical similar to this simplifies, how would I proceed?

In hindsight, I see that I could have done the following.

1) Assume that the compound radical takes the form (a + b*?19)^2

2) Write 77 - 4?19 = a[sup:27ic2283]2[/sup:27ic2283] + 2*a*b*?19 + 19*b[sup:27ic2283]2[/sup:27ic2283]

3) By inspection, I need 2*a*b = -4 and a[sup:27ic2283]2[/sup:27ic2283] + 19*b[sup:27ic2283]2[/sup:27ic2283] = 77

4) Solving equations in step 3 simultaneously yields a = ±1 and b = ±2

5) By inspection, a = 1 and b = -2

I did not have the foresight to follow this line of reasoning because I do not know enough to come up with the assumption in step 1.

Cheers,

~ Mark :)
 
It should not be a surprise that positive numbers have Real square roots.

I am a little curious why you discarded the other 3 solutions to your equations given in 3).

Your steps, 3) and 5), "by inspection" need some work. Surely, there is more authoritative reasoning.

"foresight" is no longer required when you have seen it. Hindsight is required, now.

Find the other three solutions and ponder why you should or should not discard them.

Think about "Completing the Square", but without ignoring the variable. You haven't a variable in this expression!
 
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