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mathfun

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Determine the restrictons:
cotx/(1+sinx)
I understand the restrictons: sinx cannot=o, -1
but in the answers, it also has.. "for o<_x < 2pi, x cannot= o, pi, (3pi)/2.

how do u get those values?
 
Why can the sine not be zero? Or did you mean that x can't be zero? If so, then why can't x be -1?

Eliz.
 
mathfun said:
Determine the restrictons:
cotx/(1+sinx)
I understand the restrictons: sinx cannot=o, -1
but in the answers, it also has.. "for o<_x < 2pi, x cannot= o, pi, (3pi)/2.

how do u get those values?

You are correct. Now solve for x.

In the domain 0 to 2pi:

sin(x) = 0 --> x = 0, pi

sin(x) = -1 --> x = 3pi/2
 
stapel said:
Why can the sine not be zero? Or did you mean that x can't be zero? If so, then why can't x be -1?

sinx cannot be zero because
cotx
--------
1+sinx

= (cosx/sinx)/(1+sinx)
=1/(sinx)(1-sinx)
 
Unco said:
mathfun said:
Determine the restrictons:
cotx/(1+sinx)
I understand the restrictons: sinx cannot=o, -1
but in the answers, it also has.. "for o<_x < 2pi, x cannot= o, pi, (3pi)/2.

how do u get those values?

You are correct. Now solve for x.

In the domain 0 to 2pi:

sin(x) = 0 --> x = 0, pi

sin(x) = -1 --> x = 3pi/2

if i'm looking for restrictons of sinx i have to solve for x, which wuld be the restrictions as well?
 
The question didn't ask for the restrictions of sin(x), as such; "determine the restrictions" is probably best read "Determine which values of x result in the expression being undefined".

Think of the annoying examiner who has to act like he or she doesn't know anything except what's written in the answer schedule: the examiner doesn't know what \(\displaystyle \sin{x} \, \neq \, 0, \, - 1\) means because the answers are in terms of x, so your best bet is to take it all the way and say \(\displaystyle x \, \neq \, 0, \, \pi, \, \frac{3\pi}{2}\) (for \(\displaystyle 0 \, \leq \, x \, \leq \2\pi\)) and get your deserved marks.
 
Hello, mathfun!

It's simpler than you think . . .

Determine the restrictons: \(\displaystyle \L\,\frac{\cot x}{1\,+\,\sin x}\)
Restricting the domain to: \(\displaystyle 0\,\leq\,x\,<\,2\pi\) . . .

\(\displaystyle \;\;\cot x\) is undefined for \(\displaystyle x\,=\,0,\,\pi.\;\;\)Hence: \(\displaystyle \,x\,\neq\,0,\,\pi\)

\(\displaystyle \;\;\)Since the denominator cannot be zero: \(\displaystyle \,\sin x\,\neq\,-1\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;x\,\neq\,\frac{3\pi}{2}\)
 
mathfun said:
sinx cannot be zero because...
Thanks. I'd misread the numerator as being a cosine, not a cotangent.

Eliz.
 
soroban said:
Hello, mathfun!

It's simpler than you think . . .

Determine the restrictons: \(\displaystyle \L\,\frac{\cot x}{1\,+\,\sin x}\)
Restricting the domain to: \(\displaystyle 0\,\leq\,x\,<\,2\pi\) . . .

\(\displaystyle \;\;\cot x\) is undefined for \(\displaystyle x\,=\,0,\,\pi.\;\;\)Hence: \(\displaystyle \,x\,\neq\,0,\,\pi\)

\(\displaystyle \;\;\)Since the denominator cannot be zero: \(\displaystyle \,\sin x\,\neq\,-1\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;x\,\neq\,\frac{3\pi}{2}\)

how would i find out that cotx is undefined for x = pi

sinx /= -1...how does that get x /= 3pi/2?
because sinx /=-1 ..should make sinx/= - pi=2....
 
mathfun said:
how would i find out that cotx is undefined for x = pi
You've demonstrated that you know cot(x) = cos(x)/sin(x), so is undefined when sin(x) = 0. And sin(x) = 0 when x=0, pi, in the domain 0<x<2pi. This has been covered.

mathfun said:
sinx /= -1...how does that get x /= 3pi/2?
because sinx /=-1 ..should make sinx/= - pi=2
A thread or two ago you appeared to demonstrate you know that sin(x) = -1 when x=3pi/2 in the domain 0<x<2pi.

-pi/2 and 3pi/2 are 2pi apart so are equivalent.
 
Unco said:
mathfun said:
how would i find out that cotx is undefined for x = pi
You've demonstrated that you know cot(x) = cos(x)/sin(x), so is undefined when sin(x) = 0. And sin(x) = 0 when x=0, pi, in the domain 0<x<2pi. This has been covered.
...0 being a restriction..what does that have anything to do with pi?

mathfun said:
sinx /= -1...how does that get x /= 3pi/2?
because sinx /=-1 ..should make sinx/= - pi=2
A thread or two ago you appeared to demonstrate you know that sin(x) = -1 when x=3pi/2 in the domain 0<x<2pi.

-pi/2 and 3pi/2 are 2pi apart so are equivalent.[/quote]

then how come -pi/2 is not part of the restrictions?
 
mathfun said:
Unco said:
mathfun said:
how would i find out that cotx is undefined for x = pi
You've demonstrated that you know cot(x) = cos(x)/sin(x), so is undefined when sin(x) = 0. And sin(x) = 0 when x=0, pi, in the domain 0<x<2pi. This has been covered.
...0 being a restriction..what does that have anything to do with pi?
sin(pi) = 0

mathfun said:
sinx /= -1...how does that get x /= 3pi/2?
because sinx /=-1 ..should make sinx/= - pi=2
A thread or two ago you appeared to demonstrate you know that sin(x) = -1 when x=3pi/2 in the domain 0<x<2pi.

-pi/2 and 3pi/2 are 2pi apart so are equivalent.

then how come -pi/2 is not part of the restrictions?
0 < x < 2pi was arbitrariliy chosen to be the domain. -pi/2 is outside this domain.
 
Unco said:
mathfun said:
sinx /= -1...how does that get x /= 3pi/2?
because sinx /=-1 ..should make sinx/= - pi=2
A thread or two ago you appeared to demonstrate you know that sin(x) = -1 when x=3pi/2 in the domain 0<x<2pi.

-pi/2 and 3pi/2 are 2pi apart so are equivalent.

then how come -pi/2 is not part of the restrictions?
0 < x < 2pi was arbitrariliy chosen to be the domain. -pi/2 is outside this domain.
[/quote]

since sinx=-1 and x will equal -pi/2....what will i have to do to -pi/2 to get 3pi/2?
also..what about pi/2...isn't it a restriction as well?
 
-pi/2 + 2pi = 3pi/2

So they are equivalent:
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