Ratio of radii of tennis ball behind beach ball in corner

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A tennis ball is hiding behind a beach ball in a corner of a room. Suppose that the two balls just touch each other an both balls are tangent to the two walls and the floor. Find the ratio of the two radii. (Note in 3-Dimensional)

I tried to form an equation for the 2-D: R^2 + R^2 = (R + r + r + a)^2 Note: "a" is the missing space between the tennis ball and the wall
 
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Here's a way I figured to do the two-dimensional case. It should help.

From the diagram, we make triangle OAB. The hypoteneuse of this triangle is given by \(\displaystyle \sqrt{R^{2}+R^{2}}=\sqrt{2}R\)

Now, subtract R and we have the distance from the tangents of the two circles to the corner at A.

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{2}R-R=R(\sqrt{2}-1)\)

Now subtract r and we have the distance from the center of the little circle to the corner.

\(\displaystyle R(\sqrt{2}-1)-r\)

But, this distance is also given by \(\displaystyle \sqrt{r^{2}+r^{2}}=r\sqrt{2}\)

Equate: \(\displaystyle r\sqrt{2}=R(\sqrt{2}-1)-r\)

Solve for r:

\(\displaystyle r=\frac{\sqrt{2}-1}{\sqrt{2}+1}R\approx{0.1716R}\)

The little circle has about a 17% size of the bigger circle.
 

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This is an interesting problem! If, like me, you have absolutely no familiarity with this sort of situation, and you

have to start from scratch--with no template at all to guide you--to devise strategy and tactics, it is one of those

taxing but invigorating experiences. I strongly encourage anyone who enjoys mathematical just-hands-and-

feet-and-no-equipment rock climbing to stop reading now and go off and take a crack at solving it.
Here's my solution--I checked it and I'm pretty certain (though only my dog considers me infallible):
First, don't take the terms "beach ball" and "tennis ball" literally--I don't know if they're in the correct ratio, not

having a beach ball handy I can't confirm or deny. Also, whatever the size of the larger ball, there's always a

smaller (by the same ratio) ball that will satisfy the conditions,i.e. both balls are tangent to the 2 walls and the

floor and to each other. By the way, this solution I'm presenting will give highlights, since it's too complicated to

lay out every excruciating detail--not to mention some ugly false steps of mine! Visualization is required, and

varying your viewpoint. It's helpful to take an aerial view as well as 2 different street level views.
Second, let me express the key strategy. If you think about it, you'll realize that there are an infinite number of

smaller balls of various sizes that will fit into the space between the larger ball and the corner and be tangent to

the larger; however only one will also be tangent to the walls and floor. Thus, I decided to start out by

establishing the tangency to the walls and floor of the smaller ball. Eventually, we're going to shift viewpoints to

a line from the center of the larger ball to the corner.(Incidentally, I'm calling the length of the radius of the

larger ball "one", so that the distance from the center of that ball to the corner is SQRT(2) (the larger ball is

tangent to both walls, so the distance from the center to each wall is one, and thus you have a 45 degree angle,

etc.). But for the moment we have to adopt a different perspective. Imagine you're lying on the floor, outside

the room, looking through the wall. Directly in front of you are the two balls, to the right is the corner, and

you're looking directly toward the opposite wall. So the radius of the smaller ball is the perpendicular distance

from the center to the wall to the right, and the perpendicular distance to the wall in front of you that you are

looking through (and to the floor). That we call "r". Now we have to translate that distance to the SQRT(2) line

that we will be working with for the rest of the problem. Fortunately, it's simple because we have a right

triangle with a 45 degree angle, so the distance from the corner to the center of the smaller ball on the SQRT(2)

line is SQRT(2)*r. Since we're going to be measuring from the other end of this line, let's express it the other

way, as SQRT(2)-SQRT(2)*r.
Now I must be very precise. For all the remaining analysis and calculations I'm going to be using the following

perspective. First, at this point we can use 2 dimensions, a big circle for the larger ball, a little for the smaller,

in the plane that has the center of both balls and the corner. Why can we do this? Since the balls are

symmetrical, the point of tangency must occur in this plane. Further, it will occur on the lower right quadrant of

the big circle, and the upper left quadrant of the small. For this reason the line that will be the x-axis in this

analysis goes under both circles--the floor level in other words--which presents some difficulties with

equations, but more on that momentarily.
Now, point 0 on the x-axis is a point directly below the center of the large circle and, as I just said, the action will

take place somewhere on the lower right quadrant, instead of what usually happens with circles, namely the

upper right quadrant. Therefore, we have to modify the equation so that the bottommost point on the circle, on

the floor at x=0 yields y=0 instead of -1. Thus the function for the y-values of the larger circle is y=1-(1-x^2)^.5,

with one being the radius.
Now here's a crucial idea. The point of tangency will occur when two things happen:1)The equation for the big

circle at some unknown x will produce the same exact y as the equation for the smaller circle at the same x. 2)

The two derivatives of the two circle equations will yield identical slopes for that (x,y) just mentioned.
We already have the equation of the big circle. The one for the small takes a little doing. The expression that

will appear in the x-position isn't simply x, because the center of this circle is in a different place--and the y

value produced by the equation must also reflect our actual baseline, the floor. So we create a term that serves

the normal role of x, expressing the distance from the smaller circle's center: (SQRT(2)-SQRT(2)*r-x). So, taking

into account that we're dealing with the upper left quadrant of the small circle for the point of tangency, the

equation is: y(small circle)= (r^2-(SQRT(2)-SQRT(2)*r-x)^2)^.5 + r. The r at the end is because the equation

without it just gives the height of y above the center line, not above the floor, which is our actual baseline. So

the first equation we have seeks a matching y value for some value of x.
1-(1-x^2)^.5=(r^2-(SQRT(2)-SQRT(2)*r-x)^2)^.5 + r.
Now we need to have matching slopes--after all, you can have a point in common but it can simply be an

intersection--we don't want that. Anyway, we have 2 unknowns, so we must have a second equation. This will

be the derivatives of each side of the first equation. We get the derivatives and set them equal to each other:
x*(1-x^2)^-.5=.5*(r^2-2+4r+2*SQRT(2)*x-2r^2-2*SQRT(2)*r*x-x^2)^-.5*(2*SQRT(2)-2*SQRT(2)*r-2x) Now

add our first equation
1-(1-x^2)^.5=(r^2-(SQRT(2)-SQRT(2)*r-x)^2)^.5 + r and solve simultaneously for r and x. You get:
r=.26794919243112 x=.81649658092775 The ratio of radii of the big to little ball is 3.73205. The slope at

the point of tangency, identical from both derivatives, is 1.414213, or the SQRT(2). If you go back to the

beginning and plug the values in , everything checks out perfectly.
Now, I have a suspicion that's gnawing at me with increasing insistence--somebody will post an elegant 2

sentence, largely geometrical solution based on that provocative SQRT(2) slope, with the majestic simplicity of

Archimedes' calculus-2-millenia-ahead-of-its-time derivation of the equation for the volume of a sphere,

rendering all my labor superfluous. Crowds will gather in the street to mock me for the clumsiness of my

solution. It'll be cruel of the poster to initiate all this, but in the interests of truth, beauty, etc., let him proceed.
 
Stellar said:
Question:

A tennis ball is hiding behind a beach ball in a corner of a room. Suppose that the two balls just touch each other and both balls are tangent to the two walls and the floor. Find the ratio of the two radii. (Note in 3-Dimensional)
I tried to form an equation for the 2-D: R^2 + R^2 = (R + r + r + a)^2 Note: "a" is the missing space between the tennis ball and the wall

Another popular version of this problem involves a perfect cube containing 9 marbles where the inner central marble is large enough to touch all 6 sides of the cube with the corner marbles still touching all corner faces and the central marble. What is the diameter of the corner marbles?

Now, the three marbles along any diagonal have a total span, or diagonal distance from one surface to the other surface of (r + .50), r being the radius of the corner marble and .50 being the radius of the central marble. The outer most surfaces of the corner marbles along any diagonal are clearly some distance from the true apex, or corner, of the cube. The center of a corner marble is a distance r from each face of the cube at the corners. The true distance from the marble center to the apex or corner of the cube is d = sqrt(r^2 + r^2 + r^2) = sqrt(3r^2) = (r)sqrt3.

Therefore, adding up the distances along any diagonal from corner to corner we have
Corner of cube to center of corner marble = (r)sqrt3
Center of corner marble to inner surface of corner marble = r
Diameter of central marble = 1.0
Inner surface of opposite corner marble to center of corner marble = r
Center of opposite corner marble to opposite corner of cube = (r)sqrt3.

Our sum total diatance across the cube diagonal is then 2(r)sqrt3 + r + 1 + r = 2(r)sqrt3 + 2r +1.

This diagonal distance is also equal to sqrt(W^2 + W^2 + W^2) is sqrt(1^2 + 1^2 + 1^2) = sqrt3 in the case of our unit cube.

Thus, we can equate 2(r)sqrt3 + 2r + 1 = sqrt3 or (2r + 1) = sqrt3(1 - 2r). Multiplying out and collecting, we derive 2r = (sqrt3 - 1)/(1 + sqrt3) making r = .134 inches and d = .268 inches.

Consecuently, the ratio of the 2 radii is .134/.5 = .268 or .5/.134 = 3.7313, depending on which ratio you are seeking.
 
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