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Danielle428

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Could someone please help me? I've tried this problem so many times and I keep getting the wrong answer.

Sand falls from a conveyor belt at the rate of 10 m^3/min onto the top of a conical pile. The height of the pile is always three eighths of the base diameter. How fast are the a) height and b) radius changing when the pile is 4 m high? Answer in centimeters per minute.

Thank you so much!
 
Write down the formula for the Volume of a Right Circular Cone.

Use the given relationship to transform it to an equation in one variable.
{You will have to do this twice, Once to leave height and once to leave radius}.

Find the differentials d(Volume) = f(radius)d(radius) and d(Volume) = f(height)d(height)

You have d(Volume). It is given in the problem statement. You have 'height'. It is given in the problem statement. You can calculate 'radius' using its relationship to 'height' given in the problem statement.

Substitute the known values and solve for those desired.
 
Danielle428 said:
I've tried this problem so many times and I keep getting the wrong answer.
We'll be glad to check your work, but you'll need to post it. You started with "V = (1/3)(pi)(r<sup>2</sup>h)" and the fact that h = (3/8)(2r) = (3/4)(r). Then what?

Thank you.

Eliz.
 
Hello, Danielle428!

Sand falls from a conveyor belt at the rate of 10 m<sup>3</sup>/min onto the top of a conical pile.

The height of the pile is always three eighths of the base diameter.

How fast are the a) height and b) radius changing when the pile is 4 m high?
Answer in centimeters per minute.
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The volume of a cone is: \(\displaystyle \:V\;=\;\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2h\)

We are told that the height is \(\displaystyle \frac{3}{8}\) of the base diameter: \(\displaystyle \,h\:=\;\frac{3}{8}(2r)\)
\(\displaystyle \;\;\)Hence: \(\displaystyle \,\)[1] \(\displaystyle h\,=\,\frac{3}{4}r\) . . . or: \(\displaystyle \,\)[2] \(\displaystyle r\,=\,\frac{4}{3}h\)


(a) We want \(\displaystyle \frac{dh}{dt}\) when \(\displaystyle h\,=\,4\).

Substitute [2] into the volume formula: \(\displaystyle \:V\;=\;\frac{1}{3}\pi\left(\frac{4}{3}h\right)^2h\:=\:\frac{16\pi}{27}h^3\)

Differentiate with respect to time: \(\displaystyle \:\frac{dV}{dt}\:=\:\frac{16\pi}{9}h^2\left(\frac{dh}{dt}\right)\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\frac{dh}{dt}\:=\:\frac{9}{16\pi h^2}\left(\frac{dV}{dt}\right)\)

Since \(\displaystyle h\,=\,4\) and \(\displaystyle \frac{dV}{dt}\,=\,10\), we have: \(\displaystyle \L\:\frac{dh}{dt}\:=\:\frac{9}{16\pi(4^2)}(10)\:=\:\frac{45}{128\pi}\:\approx\:0.11\) m/min.


(b) We want \(\displaystyle \frac{dr}{dt}\) when \(\displaystyle h\,=\,4\).

Substitute [1] into the volume formula: \(\displaystyle \:V\:=\:\frac{1}{3}\pi r^2\left(\frac{3}{4}r\right) \:=\:\frac{\pi}{4}r^3\)

Differentiate with respect to time: \(\displaystyle \:\frac{dV}{dt}\:=\:\frac{3\pi}{4}r^2\left(\frac{dr}{dt}\right)\;\;\Rightarrow\;\;\frac{dr}{dt}\:=\:\frac{4}{3\pi r^2}\left(\frac{dV}{dt}\right)\)

When \(\displaystyle h\,=\,4,\:r\,=\,\frac{16}{3}\) . . . so we have: \(\displaystyle \,\frac{dr}{dt}\:=\:\frac{4}{3\pi\left(\frac{16}{3}\right)^2}(10)\)

Therefore: \(\displaystyle \L\,\frac{dr}{dt}\:=\:\frac{15}{32\pi}\:\approx\:0.15\) m/min.
 
Thanks so much... I see what I did wrong. I kept putting in the wrong numbers for the variables!
 
Danielle428 said:
Thanks so much... I see what I did wrong. I kept putting in the wrong numbers for the variables!
In the future, please post your work with your question. It is SO MUCH EASIER to direct you in the way you should go, rather than just shooting in the dark and hoping we cover what you need. SHOW YOUR WORK UP FRONT. None of this "Oh, I see..." business. Let US see.

No Malice Intended. Glad to have you with us.
 
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