is this the only way (or even one right way?)

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Here is problem:
deer problem.PNG

I am concerned with problem 44 but include 43 here because 44 refers back to 43. Here is how I solved equation for the zeros:

deer solution.PNG

Now, I want to know how to answer part a of problem 44 the algebraic way. Here is what I did with a graph:

deer graph.PNG

I know that if I used used values that are more close grained (so to speak) I could put a finer point on this attempt. I mean, instead of 1,2.3 I could have used 1, 1.1, 1.5 etc. My question is: Is this the way to go here or can it be done algebraically. As I type this it occurs to me that yes, I could have plugged these values into the equation and not used a graph at all. Is this the way to proceed here or is there a short cut? Seems to be there might be.
 
Negative cubics have the same type of graph that you drew. Noe you found the zeros and want to know when the function (the derivative function!) is negative (t>0). The answer should be obvious at this point.
 
Negative cubics have the same type of graph that you drew. Noe you found the zeros and want to know when the function (the derivative function!) is negative (t>0). The answer should be obvious at this point.
well, I am interested in another matter here, namely when does the herd stop increasing. I know how to find this the long way, ie., plugging values into the equation and tabulating the results....but it seems to me that there might be a short cut like the trick of finding the x coordinate of the vertex of a quadratic by dividing the coefficient of the middle term by twice the coefficent of the first term.
 
There is a trick to answering such questions. It is called differential calculus.

[MATH]t > 0 \implies R(t) = -\ 4t^3 + 42t \implies R'(t) = -\ 12t^2 + 42.[/MATH]
[MATH]\therefore R'(t) = 0 \implies 12t^2 = 42 \implies t^2 = 3.5 \implies t = \sqrt{3.5} \approx 1.87.[/MATH]
 
Here is problem:
View attachment 13391

I am concerned with problem 44 but include 43 here because 44 refers back to 43. Here is how I solved equation for the zeros:

View attachment 13392

Now, I want to know how to answer part a of problem 44 the algebraic way. Here is what I did with a graph:

View attachment 13393

I know that if I used used values that are more close grained (so to speak) I could put a finer point on this attempt. I mean, instead of 1,2.3 I could have used 1, 1.1, 1.5 etc. My question is: Is this the way to go here or can it be done algebraically. As I type this it occurs to me that yes, I could have plugged these values into the equation and not used a graph at all. Is this the way to proceed here or is there a short cut? Seems to be there might be.
As I read the problem,

R(t) is the rate of population growth.

Thus - first ask the question - when is (are) R(t) = 0

-4t^3 + 42t = 0

-2t * (2t^2 - 21) = 0 (t = 0 is trivial solution)

Thus

R(t) = 0 at t = \(\displaystyle \sqrt{21/2}\) ................... [edited]

Your graph shows that after t = 3.24, we get R(t) < 0 .................... [edited]
 
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I see that I managed to misread the problem.

The rate of maximum increase occurs at [MATH]t = \sqrt{3.5}.[/MATH]
This seems to have been the question that was being posed by the OP in the attachment to post #1, where the interval between 1 and 3 is mentioned.

But that has nothing to do with the actual question in the book, which is interested in where the herd stops increasing and where it is increasing. The answers to those questions depend on the sign of R(t).

That depends on the solution to

[MATH]t > 0 \text { and } -4t^3 + 42t \ge 0 \implies t > 0 \text { and } t^3 \ge \dfrac{42t}{4} \implies t > 0 \text { and } t^2 \ge 10.5 \implies 0 < t \le \sqrt{10.5} \approx 3.24.[/MATH]
I apologize for confusing things.
 
There is a trick to answering such questions. It is called differential calculus.

[MATH]t > 0 \implies R(t) = -\ 4t^3 + 42t \implies R'(t) = -\ 12t^2 + 42.[/MATH]
[MATH]\therefore R'(t) = 0 \implies 12t^2 = 42 \implies t^2 = 3.5 \implies t = \sqrt{3.5} \approx 1.87.[/MATH]
I'm not there yet.
 
As I read the problem,

R(t) is the rate of population growth.

Thus - first ask the question - when is (are) R(t) = 0

-4t^3 + 42t = 0

-2t * (2t^2 - 21) = 0 (t = 0 is trivial solution)

Thus

R(t) = 0 at t = \(\displaystyle \sqrt{21/2}\) ................... [edited]

Your graph shows that after t = 3.24, we get R(t) < 0 .................... [edited]
yes, I got that part...but that doesn't tell me when the herd stops increasing and hits the slippery slope to extinction.
 
I see that I managed to misread the problem.

The rate of maximum increase occurs at [MATH]t = \sqrt{3.5}.[/MATH]
This seems to have been the question that was being posed by the OP in the attachment to post #1, where the interval between 1 and 3 is mentioned.

But that has nothing to do with the actual question in the book, which is interested in where the herd stops increasing and where it is increasing. The answers to those questions depend on the sign of R(t).

That depends on the solution to

[MATH]t > 0 \text { and } -4t^3 + 42t \ge 0 \implies t > 0 \text { and } t^3 \ge \dfrac{42t}{4} \implies t > 0 \text { and } t^2 \ge 10.5 \implies 0 < t \le \sqrt{10.5} \approx 3.24.[/MATH]
I apologize for confusing things.
yes, I got the 3.24 and -3.24 and the 0---but that doesn't tell us when the herd hits the wall, so to speak. I guess I will just have to go the long way for now until I learn some calculus...if I live long enough for that.
 
yes, I got the 3.24 and -3.24 and the 0---but that doesn't tell us when the herd hits the wall, so to speak. I guess I will just have to go the long way for now until I learn some calculus...if I live long enough for that.
I somewhat dislike this problem because it depends theoretically on calculus, which you do not yet know (although you seem close to ready for it). However, the calculus part has been given to you, and what's left is a straight-forward algebra problem. By the way, that is typical of problems requiring solution by calculus: you use calculus to reduce the problem to one soluble by algebra.

The function N(t) gives the number of deer as a function of t.

[MATH]N(t) = -\ t^4 + 21t^2 + 100 \text { if } t \ge 0.[/MATH]
Notice that I slightly changed the statement of the problem because the population at time 0 is clearly 100 so there is no need to restrict N(t) to t greater than zero.

You can use N(t) and algebra to answer certain questions exactly. For example, when will the herd go extinct? (That is certainly hitting the wall in one sense.)

[MATH]u = t^2 \implies N(t) = -\ u^2 + 21u + 100 = -\ ( u - 25)(u + 4).[/MATH]
Very straight-forward algebra, a u-substitution to reduce a quartic to a simple quadratic. Now when the herd goes extinct, the number of deer is zero.

[MATH]N(t) = 0 \iff u = 25 \text { or } u = -\ 4 \implies t = \pm \sqrt{25} = \pm 5 \text { or } t = \sqrt{-\ 4} = \pm 2i.[/MATH]
But two of those four numbers are not real, and one is negative. Consequently, only one, namely plus 5, can apply.

We can check that answer

[MATH]-\ 5^4 + 21(5^2) + 100 = -\ 625 + 21(25) + 100 = -\ 525 + 525 = 0.[/MATH]
And notice we should really say

[MATH]0 \le t \le 5 \implies N(t) = -\ t^4 + 21t^2 + 100.[/MATH]
But many interesting questions cannot be answered exactly by looking directly at N(t) although you can get approximate answers by looking at its graph. For example, you cannot tell exactly when the number of deer is at its maximum or when the deer stop increasing and start decreasing. It is exactly that sort of question that differential calculus answers. There is a different function that is closely related to N(t) called N's derivative or N's rate of change that deals with such questions.

How to find that related function is the business of differential calculus. But this problem GIVES you that function, namely

[MATH]0 < t < 5 \implies N'(t) = R(t) = - \ 4t^3 + 42t.[/MATH]
Notice that this function is not definable at t = 0 and t = 5, which explains why the problem unnecessarily restricted t > 0 for N(t). Notice also the notation of N'(t), which indicates that R(t) is an entirely different function from N(t) but related to it, which the notation R(t) does not do.

R(t) basically tells you where N(t) is increasing and where it is decreasing and at what values of t N(t) is at a maximum or minimum. That is the relevance of the rate of change. If R(t) is greater than zero, N(t) is increasing. If R(t) is less than 0, N(t) is decreasing. If N(t) is at a local maximum or local minimum in an open interval, R(t) is zero.

So the exact question that you are asking (when does the deer heard start its descent to extinction) is when the herd stops increasing, which means when R(t) = 0. And that is solvable exactly by simple algebra.

[MATH]0 < t < 5 \text { and } R(t) = - \ 4t^3 + 42t = 0 \implies[/MATH]
[MATH]0 < t < 5 \text { and } -\ t(4t^2 - 42) = 0 \implies 0 < t < 5 \text { and } t = 0, \text { or } t = \pm \sqrt{\dfrac{42}{4}} \implies[/MATH]
[MATH]]t = \sqrt{10.5}.[/MATH]
Now the number that you were wondering about relating to where the graph of R(t) was maximum is not about the number of deer at all because R(t) does not describe the number of deer. R(t) describes a rate. The number that you were wondering can be calculated by using calculus to find R'(t), the rate of change of the rate of change, which is also described as N''(t), the second derivative of N(t), and then by using algebra to find where R'(t) = 0. This is what I did in my first post. That was misguided of me because you really wanted to know when the number of deer stopped increasing and started descending into extinction, which is where R(t) = 0. But the number you estimated between 1 and 3 is where the the herd of deer is increasing most rapidly, a different question. I think you started to think (mistakenly) that R(t) described the number of deer.

You have all the algebra you need to answer exactly virtually everything you could possibly want to know about this deer herd. What you do not have is the calculus to let you derive the additional functions needed. The problem gave you one, but it did not bother to explain what that function really meant, which is why I do not like this problem.
 
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