Monkeyseat
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Hi,
Question
Integrate ln(1+x) dx between 2 and 0.
Working
Okay, so I know you have to use integration by parts (leting u = ln(1+x) as ln(1+x) cannot be integrated directly):
So now you have to use integration by parts again:
This brought me back around in a full circle to what I was originally trying to integrate. If I used integration by parts again I'd keep going around in a circle. I tried swapping the 'variables' over when integrating by parts for a second time but got the same problem:
I'm stuck - I don't how to finish this to integrate ln(1+x) dx. How do I integrate (x/x+1) using integration by parts??? Is what I have done so far ok? Maybe a different approach is required, I don't know whether it is possible to integrate it by parts without going around in circles.
By the way, I know (x/x+1) can be split up to ((x+1)-1)/(x+1) and then 1 - (1/(x+1)) and integrated to give [x - ln(1+x)], but I just want to know if it's possible to do it by parts, without getting stuck in a 'loop'. I don't think I've made a mistake and I can't see where to go with this. I think I am only at a 'basic' level using integration by parts at the moment (not sure how much farther it goes), so I may not have studied any 'advanced' techniques needed to do this yet.
Just wondering.
Thanks for any help.
Question
Integrate ln(1+x) dx between 2 and 0.
Working
Okay, so I know you have to use integration by parts (leting u = ln(1+x) as ln(1+x) cannot be integrated directly):
So now you have to use integration by parts again:
This brought me back around in a full circle to what I was originally trying to integrate. If I used integration by parts again I'd keep going around in a circle. I tried swapping the 'variables' over when integrating by parts for a second time but got the same problem:
I'm stuck - I don't how to finish this to integrate ln(1+x) dx. How do I integrate (x/x+1) using integration by parts??? Is what I have done so far ok? Maybe a different approach is required, I don't know whether it is possible to integrate it by parts without going around in circles.
By the way, I know (x/x+1) can be split up to ((x+1)-1)/(x+1) and then 1 - (1/(x+1)) and integrated to give [x - ln(1+x)], but I just want to know if it's possible to do it by parts, without getting stuck in a 'loop'. I don't think I've made a mistake and I can't see where to go with this. I think I am only at a 'basic' level using integration by parts at the moment (not sure how much farther it goes), so I may not have studied any 'advanced' techniques needed to do this yet.
Just wondering.
Thanks for any help.