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Hello! Thanks a lot for reading this thread and helping me.
Question:
Which positive real number
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has the property that
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,
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,
and
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form a geometric progression (in that order)?

(Recall that
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means the greatest integer less than or equal to
26eeb5258ca5099acf8fe96b2a1049c48c89a5e6.png
.)

Please don’t worry about the solution, the program that gave this problem will show the solution when I put the correct answer in. I have no clue on how to solve this.
 
Hello! Thanks a lot for reading this thread and helping me.
Question:
Which positive real number
26eeb5258ca5099acf8fe96b2a1049c48c89a5e6.png
has the property that
26eeb5258ca5099acf8fe96b2a1049c48c89a5e6.png
,
06681f5b345750104366c512078960fee8d81b49.png
,
and
66e89fc48893a70c772283d91da61e92514cadf9.png
form a geometric progression (in that order)?

(Recall that
441416e660d25335f27e55334ac2a06e51541c97.png
means the greatest integer less than or equal to
26eeb5258ca5099acf8fe96b2a1049c48c89a5e6.png
.)

Please don’t worry about the solution, the program that gave this problem will show the solution when I put the correct answer in. I have no clue on how to solve this.

I would suppose that \(\displaystyle \lfloor{x}\rfloor = a\) and the fractional part is b, so that \(\displaystyle x = a + b\), with \(\displaystyle 0 \le b < 1\), and we have \(\displaystyle x - \lfloor{x}\rfloor = b\).

Then the question asks for a+b, a, b to be a geometric progression.
 

Please don’t worry about the solution, the program that gave this problem will show the solution when I put the correct answer in. I have no clue on how to solve this.

How are we supposed to help you without considering the solution??
 
How are we supposed to help you without considering the solution??

I think Mikey is just asking for a hint for a method to solve it, and doesn't want the actual answer. The former, of course, is exactly what we want to provide.

It's unfortunate that the word "solution" can mean both "the final answer" and "a way to solve".
 
I think Mikey is just asking for a hint for a method to solve it, and doesn't want the actual answer. The former, of course, is exactly what we want to provide.

It's unfortunate that the word "solution" can mean both "the final answer" and "a way to solve".
Please don’t worry about the solution, the program that gave this problem will show the solution when I put the correct answer in. I have no clue on how to solve this. It says that the program will give the solution once the correct answer is put in. I think that Mikey is just asking for the answer. That way when he inputs the correct answer he will see the way to do the problem.
 
:idea: Maybe Mikey wants to try, but doesn't have enough familiarity with geometric progressions for a spark to start.


… Which positive real number x has the property that x, ⌊x⌋, and x - ⌊x⌋ form a geometric progression (in that order)? …

This is a neat exercise, for symbolic reasoning. There are different approaches, but I solved the exercise by (1) reasoning from a graph, (2) using the formula for a geometric sequence (progression), (3) solving a quadratic equation and (4) remembering that a product of reciprocals is 1. The answer is a famous number in geometry!

⌊x⌋ is called the floor function. It leaves Integer values of x alone and rounds non-Integer values down to the next Integer.

To get some sense of the geometric sequence {y₀, y₁, y₂, …}, I began by looking at graphs of:

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₀ = x

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₁ = ⌊x⌋

\(\displaystyle \quad\) and their difference

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₂ = x - ⌊x⌋


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The progression is {x, ⌊x⌋, x-⌊x⌋, …}

In other words, for each value of x, the decreasing values y₀,y₁,y₂ lie on a vertical line which intersects the straight graph x at y₀, the staircase graph ⌊x⌋ at y₁ and (their difference) the saw tooth graph x-⌊x⌋ at y₂.

The graphs show that x cannot be 1 or less because then

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₀ = x

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₁ = ⌊x⌋ = 0

\(\displaystyle \quad\) y₂ = x - ⌊x⌋ = x

and {x, 0, x} is not a geometric sequence.

Values of 2 or more don't look promising, either, because the relative distances of [y₀ to y₁] and [y₁ to y₂] don't fit the geometric progression needed (i.e., smaller-smaller-smaller).

The answer x must lie strictly between 1 and 2. Therefore, what does the graph tell you about the second element in the sequence: y₁? (Think: The graph of y₁ is the staircase.)

We can write a symbolic formula for elements in a geometric sequence like this:

yn = y₀ ⋅ rn

where yn is the nth term of the sequence, y₀ is the first term of the sequence, r is the common ratio and index n starts at zero.

In other words

y₀ = y₀ ⋅ r0

y₁= y₀ ⋅ r1

y₂= y₀ ⋅ r2

Using these symbolic representations for the first three elements of the sequence -- and knowing y₂ is the difference between y₀ and y₁ -- write a quadratic equation and solve it for r.

Once r is known, finding y₀ is easy. (Use the fact printed in green, at the top.)

Okay, Mikey, that's a lot of step-by-step guidance. Have a go at it. Let us know, if you get stuck or there's something I wrote that doesn't make sense (a recurring issue around here). :cool:
 
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My suggestion, taking a = floor(x) and b = x - floor(x), so that the sequence is a+b, a, b, also works nicely.

You can write a proportion, which leads to a quadratic equation in a and b; then if we define u = b/a, we can solve the equation for u. (Or you could make that substitution, b = au, earlier in the process.)

Once you know b/a, you can just try small integer values for a and quickly find the one that works.
 
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