Hard Improper integral question

grapz

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a and b are constants such that a < b. Find the value of [int] from a to b of dx / [ (x - a)(b - x) ] ^1/2

The answer is pi. I have no idea what to do and where to start
 
Hello, grapz!

a and b are constants such that: a<b.\displaystyle a\text{ and }b\text{ are constants such that: }a < b.

Find the value of:   abdx(xa)(bx)\displaystyle \text{Find the value of: }\;\int^b_a \frac{dx}{\sqrt{(x - a)(b - x)}}

The answer is π\displaystyle \pi

I have an approach . . . does anyone want to try it?


Under the radical we have:   x2+ax+bxab  =  [x2(a+b)x+ab]\displaystyle \text{Under the radical we have: }\;-x^2+ax + bx -ab \;=\;-[x^2 - (a+b)x + ab]

Complete the square:   [x2(a+b)x+(a+b)24+ab(a+b)24]\displaystyle \text{Complete the square: }\;-\left[x^2 - (a+b)x + \frac{(a+b)^2}{4} \:+\:ab - \frac{(a+b)^2}{4}\right]

. . =  [x2(a+b)x+(a+b)24]+[(a+b)24ab]  =  [xa+b2]2+[a2+2ab+b24ab]\displaystyle = \;-\left[x^2-(a+b)x + \frac{(a+b)^2}{4}\right] + \left[\frac{(a+b)^2}{4} - ab\right] \;= \;-\left[x - \frac{a+b}{2}\right]^2 + \left[\frac{a^2+2ab + b^2}{4} - ab\right]

. . =  [xa+b2]2+[a22ab+b24]  =  (xa+b2)2+(ab2)2\displaystyle = \;-\left[x - \frac{a+b}{2}\right]^2 + \left[\frac{a^2-2ab + b^2}{4}\right] \;=\;-\left(x - \frac{a+b}{2}\right)^2 + \left(\frac{a-b}{2}\right)^2

The integral becomes:   abdx(ab2)2(xa+b2)2\displaystyle \text{The integral becomes: }\;\int^b_a\frac{dx}{\sqrt{ (\frac{a-b}{2} )^2 - (x - \frac{a+b}{2} )^2}}


\(\displaystyle \text{Now let: }\:x-\frac{a+b}{2} \;=\;\frac{a-b}{2}\sin\theta\quad\hdots\)


Try it . . . you're in for a pleasant surprise . . .

 
soroban said:


The integral becomes:   abdx(ab2)2(xa+b2)2\displaystyle \text{The integral becomes: }\;\int^b_a\frac{dx}{\sqrt{ (\frac{a-b}{2} )^2 - (x - \frac{a+b}{2} )^2}}



Wow. That works out really nicely. That integral just becomes arcsin [( 2x - a - b) / ( b - a)] + c. Then solving for the improper integral is much easier. Thanks
 
Soroban, very good. However when I plugged in the original definite integral on my TI-89, I got undefined and

when I plugged it into Maple 8, I got a bunch of goobly-gook with imaginary numbers. Does this mean some integrals (gasp)

have to be done the old fashion way?
 
Soroban, does arcsin(-1) = -Pi/2 or 3Pi/2? If the first then the answer is -Pi,

if the second then the answer is Pi.
 
The answer is indeed Pi. Yes, you get undefined running it through the calculator. This is an e;lliptic integral(or very close to it).

It appears to be similar to Gauss's famous 1(x2+a2)+(x2+b2)dx=πagm(a,b)\displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{1}{\sqrt{(x^{2}+a^{2})+(x^{2}+b^{2})}}dx=\frac{\pi}{agm(a,b)}. Where agm(a,b) is the arithmetic-geometric mean.

From which one gets 1x2+(agm(a,b))2dx=πagm(a,b)\displaystyle \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\frac{1}{x^{2}+(agm(a,b))^{2}}dx=\frac{\pi}{agm(a,b)}
 
galactus, I think I found a contradiction on my TI-89. The answer comes out to be arcsin(-1)-arcsin(1) = -Pi

However if I plug constants into the original integral, a<b on my TI-89, I will get Pi. However when I punch in arcsin(-1) into my

trusty TI-89, I get -PI/2, not 3Pi/2. Hence the TI-89 uses 3PI/2 to give Pi to the definite integral but gives -pi/2 for

arcsin(-1).
 
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