f(x) = 2 |x-3| - 4

lizzpalmer

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This is the problem that I am given. And I have figured out that |a| = a if a is greater than or equal to 0 and |a| = -a if a is equal to 0 but beyond that, I have absolutely no idea what this means or how to solve it. They want me to graph it. I'm not looking for the answer because I think that is wrong and doesn't help me learn the concept, but if someone could help explain it in english, that would be great. I'm really struggling in this class and having a hard time grasping the basic concepts. It's an online course, so I don't have anyone to sit down with and explain it to me. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
 
lizzpalmer said:
|a| = a if a is greater than or equal to 0
Very good.

|a| = -a if a is equal to 0
Not so good. You need a < 0 for |a| = -a

Applying this to |x-3|, we'll need to know where x-3 >= 0 and where x-3 < 0

Wherever x-3 >= 0, graph y = 2(x-3)-4
Wherever x-3 < 0, graph y = 2(3-x)-4 -- Note: 3-x = -(x-3)
 
I'm Sorry but I don't understand any of that. I'm not sure I understand what anything in the problem stands for. I'm really trying to understand this, but it's just not clicking yet.
 


lizzpalmer said:
|a| = a if a is greater than or equal to 0 ? Correct

|a| = -a if a is equal to 0 ? Incorrect

|a| = -a, if a < 0

What this says is that, if the symbol a represents some negative number (a<0), then we must multiply that negative number by -1 to get its absolute value, and the positive result is |a|.

The notation -a means (-1)(a)

When symbol a represents some positive number, we don't need to do anything to make it positive. The absolute value of some positive number is just itself. |a| = a, if a > 0

Regardless of the actual value of symbol a, the thing to remember about absolute value is that it's never negative. The symbol |a| always represents a positive number (or zero, when a = 0).

I could go on to explain the meaning of absolute value in greater detail, along with an explanation of why we need it, when to use it, and how to solve equations containing it, but your question is about how to graph the given function.

If your course is currently discussing transformations of graphs, then perhaps they want you to start with the graph of y=|x| and perform horizontal and vertical shifts, to begin. The y-intercept and symmetry would do the rest.

I don't know what they expect, but there's always an easy way to graph functions when you have their formula. Make a table of values. Plot the points. Connect them with a smooth curve or lines, as the case may be.

I'll get you started. Let your x values go from -4 through 10. That will give you a graph that shows the intercepts.

f(-4) = 2 |-4 - 3| - 4

f(-4) = 2 |-7| - 4

f(-4) = 2(7) - 4

f(-4) = 14 - 4

f(-4) = 10

Hence, the point (-4, 10) is on the graph.

f(-3) = 2 |-3 - 3| - 4

f(-3) = 2 |-6| - 4

f(-3) = 2(6) - 4

f(-3) = 8

We find that the point (-3, 8) is on the graph.

Keep going.

By the way, have you used Google to search for additional lessons and examples having to do with the topics that confuse you? I find that most of the online math courses I've seen are poorly executed.

Here are some search results.

 


tkhunny said:
we'll need to know where x-3 >= 0 and where x-3 < 0

Wherever x-3 >= 0, graph y = 2(x-3)-4

Wherever x-3 < 0, graph y = 2(3-x)-4 -- Note: 3-x = -(x-3)

Right on. :) If you understand inequalities like x - 3 < 0 AND you know how to graph those two lines above over those restricted values of x, this method is also quite easy.

 


lizzpalmer said:
I'm Sorry but I don't understand any of that. I'm not sure I understand what anything in the problem stands for. I'm really trying to understand this, but it's just not clicking yet.

Oh, I just saw this post.

I'm sorry about your confusion. I'm convinced that online math courses are very difficult for individuals who need extra time and help to understand introductory concepts. When you take a course online, you pretty much become the teacher and student both.

I would spend some serious time on the Internet, looking at other presentations of the same material. If it's a possibility, look into getting a face-to-face tutor, too.

Do you know how to plot points, like (-4, 10) and (-3, 8) ?

 
I sort of know how to plot the points. I can figure that part out I think. The chapter that I am on is called Functions and Graphs. The course is Math and Statistics for business. I loved statistics when I took it as an undergrad in a classroom, but I don't remember much of it now so I think that's what's killing me. I don't know that I am positive what |a| or anything in those | | brackets stands for. The book doesn't give examples that are the same as the exercises we have been asked to do so it's guessing how to translate the formula to match the question. I will look for a tutor but I live in the middle of nowhere Vermont so hence the reason I'm doing classes online :) I will review these posts in the morning when my head is clear. It's 11 pm here now and I've been working on these questions for hours. Thank you all so much for help!
 
How sure are you that you are in the right class?
 
lizzpalmer said:
This is the problem that I am given. And I have figured out that |a| = a if a is greater than or equal to 0 and |a| = -a if a is equal to 0 but beyond that, I have absolutely no idea what this means or how to solve it. They want me to graph it. I'm not looking for the answer because I think that is wrong and doesn't help me learn the concept, but if someone could help explain it in english, that would be great. I'm really struggling in this class and having a hard time grasping the basic concepts. It's an online course, so I don't have anyone to sit down with and explain it to me. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you
Actually, this is a hard problem for a beginner because it involves many concepts at once.

Concept 1. A function is a rule, a map, a machine that goes from one number to the same or another number.

Concept 2. When you graph a function, you are simply drawing a picture of what the function does. As mmm said, the way to do it is to write down some carefully selected input numbers and pair them up with their respective output numbers, and connect the dots with lines or curves. HOWEVER, the absolute value function is a bit unusual because its graph is two different straight lines that intersect.

Concept 3. The absolute value function. I think you understand that rule, but it may help you to graph g(x) = |x| for both positive and negative numbers. Notice that it looks like a V based on a right angle.

Concept 4. Composition of functions. You can combine two or more functions into what can become a very complicated function (called a composite function). Compositions of functions may look complicated, but they just involve using one rule after another (though you have to be careful which order you apply the rules). ALTHOUGH IT IS NEVER NECESSARY AND ADMITTEDLY SLOW, it is frequently helpful to use substitution of variables to understand a composite function. Let's do that with your example.

Let u = x - 3.
Let v = |u|.
Let w = 2v - 4.
So f(x) = w = 2v - 4 = 2|u| - 4 = 2|x - 3| - 4.

OK Let's take an example. Set up a table with column headings of x, u = x - 3, v = |u|, w = 2v - 4
In the next row, pick an initial value for x. Let's try 9. So what is the u that is spit out by the rule u = x - 3 when you give it 9?
Write the answer down in the same row under u.
Now what is the value spit out by the rule v = |u| when you give it the value of u just calculated?
Write that answer down under v in the same row.
Now where does the value of v just written lead you when your map says w = 2v - 4.
Write that answer down under w in the same row.
Did you get 8?

If so, you understand the concept of function, absolute value, and composition of functions.

Now in the next rows try 4, -9, - 4, and 3. What do you get? What does the graph look like?

Does this help?
 
Yes it does help. Thank you very much. I'm going to work on this tonight and see if I can come up with an answer!
 


Good luck. I'm going to try after dinner to post a few lines about various views of absolute value and where this concept comes from. You'll probably see them tomorrow.

For now, just remember that if the number inside the absolute value signs is already positive (or zero), you can simply remove the absolute-value signs.

If the number inside is negative, then you must multiply it by -1 to make it positive, in order to remove the absolute value signs.

The absolute value of any Real quantity is always non-negative.

Cheers 8-)

 
Ok this may sound funny but this is what I THINK I know:

This whole thing about |a| - i thought it was some fancy calculation that was hidden from me :)

In my words |a| just means the distance from 0 on the graph.

If it is less than 0 it would go on the left side and if it is more than it would go on the right side.

Back to my math problem:

f(x) = 2 |x-3| - 4

To figure out where this line would be on the graph, I have to substitute values for x.

mmm told me to go from -4 to 10 (what that meant was to subsitute -4, -3, -2, -1, 0, 1 etc) for x and solve.

mmm did -4 and then did -3 which produced the answers (-4, 10) and (-3,8)

I did three more to make sure I understood the math and could show you:

f(-2)= 2|-4-3|-4
=2|-5| -4
=2(5) - 4
=10 - 4
=6
Therefore (-2,6) would be on the line.

f(-1) = 2|-1-3|-4
=2|-4|-4
=2(4) - 4
=8-4
=4
Therefore (-1,4) would be on the line.

f(0) = 2 |0-3|-4
=2|-3|-4
2(3)-4
=6-4
=2
Therefore, (0,2) would be on the line.

Is this correct?

Then after I get all of these points to put on a graph, I just draw it out on a graph?

Is that the complete answer?
 
Check that f(-2). You started oddly, but managed to get it back.

If the graph of y = f(x) were a line, you would be done. It's not a line. x = 3 is important. It is different lines (really rays, I suppose - half lines?) on each side of x = 3.
 


lizzpalmer said:
after I get all of these points to put on a graph, I just draw it out on a graph?

Yes. Plot those 15 points, and connect them.

Your graph should be V-shaped. If it's not, check your arithmetic for calculating the y-coordinate on any of your points that don't seem to lie on the V.



Is that the complete answer?

For this exercise, if the book only instructs you to "graph the given function", then yes, you're done. Do they ask you to do anything else with the given function f?



In my words |a| just means the distance from 0 on the graph.

I think that I know what you're trying to say, here. This is one interpretation of absolute value, if you mean to say that |a| represents the distance from 0 to a on the Real number line.

The actual number a itself might be positive or negative. We don't know, and that's the point. The entire symbolism of writing the notation |a| is to represent the absolute value of some arbitrary or unknown Real number.

We know only that |a| is not negative.

This is why we need to use the word "if", when defining absolute value mathematically.

IF a < 0, then |a| = -a; otherwise |a| just equals a.



The very fact that the unknown a could be either positive or negative (or zero, Denis :wink: ) is why we need special rules, when working with expressions, equations, or inequalities that contain absolute-value symbols. Often, we need to solve two different equations or inequalities, to cover both possibilities when calculating a's value.

EG: What value of x makes f(x) = 0 ?

Substitute the number 0 for f(x)

0 = 2 |x - 3| - 4

Isolate absolute-value expression (i.e., add 4 to both sides and divide by 2)

|x - 3| = 2

Use property to remove absolute-value symbols

x - 3 = -2 OR
x - 3 = 2

Solve each of these equations

x = 1 or x = 5

We needed to set-up and solve two equations to find the values of x.

Hey. If you're savvy, you just realized that I gave you the x-intercepts. :D That is, we now know that (1, 0) and (5, 0) are on the graph, too.




Why do we need to deal with absolute value, anyways? Some reasons:

Every positive number has an opposite (which is negative), and vice versa.

Negative numbers have meaning, in the real world and our daily living. (EGs: You ever have a checkbook? Deposits are positive numbers; withdrawals are negative numbers; does your weight ever change? If you gain pounds, your weight change is a positive number; if you lose weight, the change is negative. Temperatures can be positive or negative, and they also change positively or negatively as your location with respect to sea level rises and falls. Et cetera.)

Sometimes, in these scenarios, we care only how far away from the origin we are. (Like you said, that's absolute value.) In these cases, we don't care whether it is a positive direction or negative direction away from zero.

Here's a goofy example (as they often are, off the top of my head): Let's say that a team of geologists are in a cavern harvesting stalactites and stalagmites. These are mineral deposits that form over time. Stalactites hang from the ceiling, and stalagmites form up from the floor; so the geologists decide to use a convention of positive and negative numbers to record their sizes (eg: -4 denotes a stalactite of four meters and +4 means a stalagmite of four meters). Well, the gal at the factory who builds the plywood boxes for transporting these mineral formations does not care if the thing is hanging from the ceiling or standing on the ground. She only cares how long it is. The carpenter is interested only in |a| = 4. She is not interested in either a = 4 or a = -4. She's interested in the absolute value of the length. Same situation arises when letting rope off a boat, to position a temperature probe below sea level (-150 meters) or raise it up on a balloon (position +150 meters). The rigging guy who has to install various ropes for different temperature experiments does not care whether the probe ends up above or below the boat; he cares only about the absolute value of it's position.



I hope that this post helps you, if even a little bit. My post is late because I got suckered into moving furniture very early today. Cheers 8-)

 


Hooray!

Here's mine, for a check.

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