expressions in which a*b doesn't equal b*a.

nadeem

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Hello everyone,

I was brought up to believe that the order of the factors is indifferent. That 9*7 equals 7*9. However, I've read a text in which the authors claims that there are systems in which this rule doesn't apply. Here's the text:

There are three basic properties of numbers, and you'll probably have just a little section on these properties, maybe at the beginning of the course, and then you'll probably never see them again (until the beginning of the next course). Covering these properties is a holdover from the "New Math" fiasco of the 1960s. While these properties will start to become relevant in matrix algebra and calculus (and become amazingly important in advanced math, a couple years after calculus), they really don't matter a whole lot now.

Why not? Because every math system you've ever worked with has obeyed these properties. You have never dealt with a system where a×b didn't equal b×a, for instance, or where (a×b)×c didn't equal a×(b×c). Which is why the properties probably seem somewhat pointless to you. Don't worry about their "relevance" for now; just make sure you can keep the properties straight so you can pass the next test. The lesson below explains how I kept track of the properties.

http://www.purplemath.com/modules/numbprop.htm

The authors doesn't expand any further on this. So i was wondering if anyone here would like to take the time out to educate me on this topic?

Thank you very much,

Nadeem.
 
The only ones that come to mind are vector and matrix math but educating you here is... A web search on those terms should turn up enough to keep you off the streets for a while.
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Gene
 
Hi Gene:)

Thanks for the tip, i'll make sure to look into it :)

Though it would be nice of you had some direct examples. But if that's not possible due to my lack of knowledge on this topic, then i think your tip will do plenty for now :)

Thanks,

Nadeem.
 
Matrix multiplication is not commutative. This is customarily the first time students encounter a system for which this "usual rule" does not hold.

The point of the lesson is to reassure students: Yes, this rule you're having to memorize is somewhat pointless right now, since there is nothing in your (mathematical) world to which this doesn't apply. Just memorize the stuff for the next test, get the easy points, and then don't worry about it after that. If/when you need it again, they'll cover it again.

Eliz.
 
Hi Eliz :)

Thanks for the advice, but i'm not doing this for my class. I'm doing this for myself :)

I live in norway, and i'm 15. I've never heard of "matrix multiplication" before. I'll try to check it up with google, unless you'd like to give me a lesson on it? Thanks.

Nadeem.
 
nadeem said:
I've never heard of "matrix multiplication"...you'd like to give me a lesson on it?
Try the site you're already reviewing for a lesson on this topic.

Eliz.
 
Hello, nadeem!

Here are examples I made up for my classes years ago
. . when I was teaching those Properties.
They are rather silly, but they do make the point.

Is Addition always commutative?
. . Well, 2 + 3 is always equal to 3 + 2.
But what about other kinds of "addition"?

Suppose we define "getting dressed" to be Addition of Clothing.

Then: \(\displaystyle \text{(adding socks) + (adding shoes)}\;\neq\;\text{(adding shoes) + (adding socks)}\)


Is Multiplication always commutative?
. . Well, both \(\displaystyle 2\,\times\,30\) and \(\displaystyle 30\,\times\,2\) equal \(\displaystyle 60\), but . . .

Suppose your doctor said, "Take 2 of these pills daily for the next 30 days."
. . And you said, "Heck, I can't be bothered!" and took 30 pills a day for 2 days.

One way you'd be cured in a month.
The other way you'd be in the ER the next day getting your stomach pumped,
. . saying, "Hey, what's the big deal? .I took the 60 pills, didn't I?"
 
Just for curiousity, I believe the topics that your book is reffering to is dot product and cross product. You can search these terms and find for yourself that they are not commutative.
 
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