A Square Trick

BigGlenntheHeavy

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Without using a calculator, just pencil and paper, find the simplified numerical value of:

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ ?\)

Hint; Answer is an integer.
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
Without using a calculator, just pencil and paper, find the simplified numerical value of:

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ ?\)

Hint; Answer is an integer.

\(\displaystyle \left [\sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ \right ]^2 \ = \ 16\)
 
\(\displaystyle Good \ show \ Subhotosh \ Khan, \ as \ I \ didn't \ go \ that \ way, \ here's \ what \ I \ did.\)

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}} \ = \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2} \ = \ [4+4\sqrt3+3]^{1/2} \ = \ [2^2+4\sqrt3+(\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2}\)

\(\displaystyle =[(2+\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2} \ = \ 2+\sqrt3, \ \sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ 2-\sqrt3\)

\(\displaystyle Hence, \ \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}} \ + \ \sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ 2+\sqrt3+2-\sqrt3 \ = \ 4\)

\(\displaystyle Only \ problem \ with \ your \ method \ is \ that \ you \ pick \ up \ an \ extraneous \ root, \ to \ wit:\)

\(\displaystyle Let \ y \ = \ \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}}, \ then \ y^2 \ = \ 16, \ \sqrt{y^2} \ = \ \sqrt16\)

\(\displaystyle |y| \ = \ 4, \ y \ = \ \pm4, \ note \ -4 \ is \ incorrect.\)
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
\(\displaystyle Good \ show \ Subhotosh \ Khan, \ as \ I \ didn't \ go \ that \ way, \ here's \ what \ I \ did.\)

\(\displaystyle \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}} \ = \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2} \ = \ [4+4\sqrt3+3]^{1/2} \ = \ [2^2+4\sqrt3+(\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2}\)

\(\displaystyle =[(2+\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2} \ = \ 2+\sqrt3, \ \sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ 2-\sqrt3\)

\(\displaystyle Hence, \ \sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}} \ + \ \sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ = \ 2+\sqrt3+2-\sqrt3 \ = \ 4\)

\(\displaystyle Only \ problem \ with \ your \ method \ is \ that \ you \ pick \ up \ an \ extraneous \ root.\)

You would too...

\(\displaystyle =[(2+\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2} \ = \ \pm (2+\sqrt3)\)
 
\(\displaystyle Sorry, \ but \ I \ would \ not \ as \ (2+\sqrt3) \ is \ a \ constant.\)

\(\displaystyle \sqrt(x^2) \ = \ |x|, \ but \ \sqrt(5^2) \ = \ 5.\)

\(\displaystyle The \ reason \ the \ \sqrt(x^2) \ = \ |x| \ is \ we \ don't \ know \ whether \ x \ is \ positive \ or \ negative.\)

\(\displaystyle but \ we \ always \ know \ the \ value \ of \ a \ constant.\)

\(\displaystyle After thought: \ [(2+\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2} \ = \ [4+4\sqrt3+3]^{1/2} \ = \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2}\)

\(\displaystyle Now, \ how \ is \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2} \ negative?\)

\(\displaystyle In \ fact, \ to \ be \ mathematically \ correct, \ your \ answer \ is \ wrong.\)
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
\(\displaystyle Sorry, \ but \ I \ would \ not \ as \ (2+\sqrt3) \ is \ a \ constant.\)

\(\displaystyle \sqrt(x^2) \ = \ |x|, \ but \ \sqrt(5^2) \ = \ 5.\)

\(\displaystyle The \ reason \ the \ \sqrt(x^2) \ = \ |x| \ is \ we \ don't \ know \ whether \ x \ is \ positive \ or \ negative.\)

\(\displaystyle but \ we \ always \ know \ the \ value \ of \ a \ constant.\)

\(\displaystyle After thought: \ [(2+\sqrt3)^2]^{1/2} \ = \ [4+4\sqrt3+3]^{1/2} \ = \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2}\)

\(\displaystyle Now, \ how \ is \ [7+4\sqrt3]^{1/2} \ negative?\)

\(\displaystyle In \ fact, \ to \ be \ mathematically \ correct, \ your \ answer \ is \ wrong.\)

You did not read my answer carefully... using your logic...

\(\displaystyle \left [\sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ \right ]^2 \ = \ 16\)

\(\displaystyle \left (\left [\sqrt{7+\sqrt{48}}+\sqrt{7-\sqrt{48}} \ \right ]^2\right )^{\frac{1}{2}} \ = \ (16)^{\frac{1}{2}}\)

Which part is negative here?
 
\(\displaystyle Your \ answer \ should \ \ have \ been:\)

\(\displaystyle y^2 \ = \ 16, \ |y| \ =4, \ y \ = \ 4, \ y \ \ge0 \ (the \ sum \ of \ two \ square \ roots).\)
 
BigGlenntheHeavy said:
\(\displaystyle Your \ answer \ should \ \ have \ been:\)

\(\displaystyle y^2 \ = \ 16, \ |y| \ =4, \ y \ = \ 4, \ y \ \ge0 \ (the \ sum \ of \ two \ square \ roots).\)

Why should I bring in "y" in this solution?
 
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