1-1/3+1/2-1/3^3+1/2^2-1/3^5 ------- infinite series

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Hi this is my 1st post, im a bit confused on how do i solve this question.
Please, Can someone find out if the given series is Convergent or Divergent ?

1 - 1/3 + 1/2 - 1/3^3 + 1/2^2 - 1/3^5.......


After removing the 1st term,
-1/3+1/2-1/3^3+1/2^2-1/3^5....

Seperating both with common factors
S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....

Thanks a Lot!
 
Hi this is my 1st post, im a bit confused on how do i solve this question.
Please, Can someone find out if the given series is Convergent or Divergent ?

1 - 1/3 + 1/2 - 1/3^3 + 1/2^2 - 1/3^5.......


After removing the 1st term,
-1/3+1/2-1/3^3+1/2^2-1/3^5....

Seperating both with common factors
S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....

Thanks a Lot!
Great start in separating two series.

Now you have two geometric series. What are the conditions for those type series to be divergent or convergent?
 
Great start in separating two series.

Now you have two geometric series. What are the conditions for those type series to be divergent or convergent?

Thanks a Lot bro, pls take a look at this too..

After removing the 1st term,
-1/3+1/2-1/3^3+1/2^2-1/3^5....

Seperating both with common factors
S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....

Un for S1 = -1/3^(2n+1)

if n=1 , -1/3^3
n=2 , -1/3^5
i can't get the 1st term for S1, i don't know if n=0 is allowed or not ?

Un for S2 = 1/2^n

if n=1 , 1/2
n=2 ,
1/2^2
n=3 , 1/3^3
 
Thanks a Lot bro, pls take a look at this too..

After removing the 1st term,
-1/3+1/2-1/3^3+1/2^2-1/3^5....

Seperating both with common factors
S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....

Un for S1 = -1/3^(2n+1)

if n=1 , -1/3^3
n=2 , -1/3^5
i can't get the 1st term for S1, i don't know if n=0 is allowed or not ?

Un for S2 = 1/2^n

if n=1 , 1/2
n=2 ,
1/2^2
n=3 , 1/3^3

Yes, the index variable (in this case n) can be 0. It can also be negative integers if needed. The only times this wouldn't be true is if n being a specific value would produce an undefined result (e.g. 0/0 or 0^0) or a non-real number (e.g. the square root of a negative number). Broadly speaking, as long as an integer is in the domain of the function you're summing, your index variable can be that integer.

However, if you prefer only positive integers for n, it is still doable. If we let U(n) = -1/3^(2n-1) be the general term of the first series, then U(1) = -1/3^(2(1)-1) = -1/3 as desired. And U(2) = -1/3^(2(2)-1) = -1/3^3 works too.
 
Yes, the index variable (in this case n) can be 0. It can also be negative integers if needed. The only times this wouldn't be true is if n being a specific value would produce an undefined result (e.g. 0/0 or 0^0) or a non-real number (e.g. the square root of a negative number). Broadly speaking, as long as an integer is in the domain of the function you're summing, your index variable can be that integer.

However, if you prefer only positive integers for n, it is still doable. If we let U(n) = -1/3^(2n-1) be the general term of the first series, then U(1) = -1/3^(2(1)-1) = -1/3 as desired. And U(2) = -1/3^(2(2)-1) = -1/3^3 works too.

Thanks for the reply ksdhart2

Yes i now understand that any integer can be used for the value of n here, :)

So, then putting in S1, n=inf
= -1/3^(2n-1)
= -1/inf
= 0

For S2, n=inf
= 1/2^n
= 1/0
= 0

So since it is 0, The values of U(n) & V(n) would be non-Zero, Finite & would converge or Diverge together ?

I just realized that i didn't find the V(n), after which we're supposed to check the value of "P" which is in the form 1/n^p
If p=<1 , Divergent
If p>1 , Convergent

Please check if im doing right !
Thanks a Lot !
 
Thanks for the reply ksdhart2

Yes i now understand that any integer can be used for the value of n here, :)

So, then putting in S1, n=inf
= -1/3^(2n-1)
= -1/inf
= 0

For S2, n=inf
= 1/2^n
= 1/0
= 0

So since it is 0, The values of U(n) & V(n) would be non-Zero, Finite & would converge or Diverge together ?

I just realized that i didn't find the V(n), after which we're supposed to check the value of "P" which is in the form 1/n^p
If p=<1 , Divergent
If p>1 , Convergent

Please check if im doing right !
Thanks a Lot !

Well, plugging in infinity as you've done there isn't really allowed as a rigorous step, but it's alright to get an intuition of the long-term behavior of the series. Essentially, what you've done thus far is found that \(\displaystyle \displaystyle lim_{n \to \infty} \: U(n) = 0\). In other words, as n grows without bounds, the individual terms of both series approach 0. I don't know what your textbook/class calls the various theorems, but when I was learning about series, my book had something called The Divergence Test. It says that if the limit of the terms of a series doesn't go to 0, the series must diverge. However, if the limit of the terms does go to 0, we cannot say one way or the other if a series converges or diverges. Right now, you've found that the divergence test is inconclusive. When one convergence test comes back inconclusive, that means you have to try another one.

What you're talking about at the end seems to be another test for the convergence of a series. My book called that one the P-Test. Unfortunately, it cannot be used here, because neither of the series are in the proper form. As you note the series must have the form 1/n^p, where n is the index variable and p is any constant. That's not the case though. In each of the series the variable n is in the exponent, not the base.

However, there's still hope. If we rewrite the first series a bit, we can see that U(n) = -1/3^(2n-1) = -(1/3)^(2n-1). That looks like a geometric series. Is there perhaps a convergence test you know about geometric series? (If not, you might try this page which has a bunch of convergence tests). What does that test tell you about whether the first series converges or diverges? Similarly, the second series can also be written as a geometric series. I'll leave you to see if you can find what it is. Then, using the same test, does it converge or diverge? Now, given that the main series the problem asks about can be written as the sum of the two individual series, what do these two results tell you?
 
Well, plugging in infinity as you've done there isn't really allowed as a rigorous step, but it's alright to get an intuition of the long-term behavior of the series. Essentially, what you've done thus far is found that \(\displaystyle \displaystyle lim_{n \to \infty} \: U(n) = 0\). In other words, as n grows without bounds, the individual terms of both series approach 0. I don't know what your textbook/class calls the various theorems, but when I was learning about series, my book had something called The Divergence Test. It says that if the limit of the terms of a series doesn't go to 0, the series must diverge. However, if the limit of the terms does go to 0, we cannot say one way or the other if a series converges or diverges. Right now, you've found that the divergence test is inconclusive. When one convergence test comes back inconclusive, that means you have to try another one.

What you're talking about at the end seems to be another test for the convergence of a series. My book called that one the P-Test. Unfortunately, it cannot be used here, because neither of the series are in the proper form. As you note the series must have the form 1/n^p, where n is the index variable and p is any constant. That's not the case though. In each of the series the variable n is in the exponent, not the base.

However, there's still hope. If we rewrite the first series a bit, we can see that U(n) = -1/3^(2n-1) = -(1/3)^(2n-1). That looks like a geometric series. Is there perhaps a convergence test you know about geometric series? (If not, you might try this page which has a bunch of convergence tests). What does that test tell you about whether the first series converges or diverges? Similarly, the second series can also be written as a geometric series. I'll leave you to see if you can find what it is. Then, using the same test, does it converge or diverge? Now, given that the main series the problem asks about can be written as the sum of the two individual series, what do these two results tell you?


Well,i can't find the Test for the series in my book, but there is a kind of a similar example
in that example, there are two series like s1 & s2,
We first find out the common for each series, then if the common is less than 1 , the series is Convergent.
I hope you might know the detailed test..

S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
= -1/3 (1 + 1/1^3 + 1/1^5.....)
So since the common ratio is -1/3<1 , this series is Convergent.

S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....
= 1/2 (......)
Here also common ratio bein 1/2 which is < 1 , make this series also Convergent.

kind of like that....
I also checked the answer for the question on the back of the book, its convergent ! :D
 
Well,i can't find the Test for the series in my book, but there is a kind of a similar example
in that example, there are two series like s1 & s2,
We first find out the common for each series, then if the common is less than 1 , the series is Convergent.
I hope you might know the detailed test..

S1 = -1/3-1/3^3-1/3^5.....
= -1/3 (1 + 1/1^3 + 1/1^5.....)
So since the common ratio is -1/3<1 , this series is Convergent.

S2 = 1/2+1/2^2.....
= 1/2 (......)
Here also common ratio bein 1/2 which is < 1 , make this series also Convergent.

kind of like that....
I also checked the answer for the question on the back of the book, its convergent ! :D

Yeah, different books call the theorems and tests different things, but that's the test I was talking about. I'd just make one small correction that might help you in the future: You should be comparing the absolute value of the common multiple to 1 (i.e. |-1/3| < 1). Without using the absolute value, you might mistakenly believe that a series with the common multiple -3 converges. Such a series grows without bounds in the negative direction, so it diverges.
 
Yeah, different books call the theorems and tests different things, but that's the test I was talking about. I'd just make one small correction that might help you in the future: You should be comparing the absolute value of the common multiple to 1 (i.e. |-1/3| < 1). Without using the absolute value, you might mistakenly believe that a series with the common multiple -3 converges. Such a series grows without bounds in the negative direction, so it diverges.

Thanks man !
 
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